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Elephant first: That was some atrocious basketball. The less we say about the badness, the better. On the brighter side of life...
Take a look-see at the Wolves' BR page from earlier today:
2-5, 5th in NBA Northwest Division (Schedule and Results)
Coach: Rick Adelman (2-5)
PTS/G: 96.3 (12th of 30) ▪ Opp PTS/G: 95.9 (19th of 30)
SRS: 2.67 (12th of 30) ▪ Pace: 94.5 (4th of 30)
Off Rtg: 101.9 (18th of 30) ▪ Def Rtg: 101.4 (13th of 30)
Expected W-L: 4-3 (17th of 30)
They're respectable. As bad as the Cavs and Grizz losses were, the Wolves have been in 7 of 8 games, they carry a positive ortg/drtg differential, and they are in the "play-here/play-there" range of being a winning ball club.
They're also a single competent wing player away from being really interesting. The Wolves kirtan: Love and Rubio are great (Love and Rubio are great), Adelman is the business (Adelman is the business), they don't have a competent wing player (they don't have a competent wing player).
That's it. On days/nights when the duo gets help, they'll be great. On the others, not so much.
Today's other production came as an answer to a question that has been begging to be asked: What happens when you take the awful Michael Beasley minutes and replace them with Derrick Williams?
Against the Wizards, the answer to this question was: awesome things. Awesome things happen.
Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley's minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I'm not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he's shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don't keep stats for "contested 22-footers per 48" but having watched every Timberwolves game I'm going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I'm guessing that's the reason that he's 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a shitton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.
Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams' TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie "over-eager" attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to "create a shot" (a phrase that I guarantee I'll be ranting about in a future article) and I don't expect him to change anytime soon.
Now imagine the syrupy goodness that would come out of exchanging Wes Johnson's terrible minutes for (insert any number of competent players here).
They're close. They're close. I'll say it again: they're close.
What really stuck out about this particular tilt was the sheer awfulness of the Wizards squad. There's no there there. Even with a mismanaged team like the Wolves you could point at them and say "hey, they have a rebounding freak who can shoot 3s and get to the line and they're waiting for a unicorn." What can you point at with the Wizards? John Wall doesn't know what to do in the 1/2 court offense, their bigs are uninterested in doing any kind of dirty work on defense or on the glass, their coach is terrible, and...well, what are they doing? That was some of the worst basketball I've seen over the past 3-5 years...and I've seen some teerrrrrrrrriiiibllllleee Wolves basketball. That was right up there with some of the 20+ point beat downs that polluted the Rambis era. That was in the stratosphere of the December of Witt.
The Wolves clowned the Wizards. They brought no look passes, silly head fakes, 3s from everywhere, and they even got the refs to call some ridiculous fouls against the home team. Ricky Rubio climbed all the way into John Wall's head, did a few laps, and then dropped another perfect one-handed pass to D-Thrill for a 3. You could almost see the thought bubble over Wall's head every time he looked at Ricky: "He's not supposed to be that good." Do we call it Pulling a Westbrook or Pulling a Wall? Whatever it is, we now have a few games where it is quite obvious that the opposing players are none too thrilled about the floppy-haired former teen sensation actually handing them their lunch. "He can't possibly...no way" is becoming the subtext for a lot of these tilts.
Random thoughts:
- Adelman basically went with an 8 man rotation on the first game of a back-to-back-to-back. The starting center in this rotation put up less than 20 minutes. This is a thin team to begin with. I'm not sure what we're going to see on Tuesday night but my guess is that it won't be pretty.
- 3s are awesome things.
- Jan Vesely was on the court for 9 minutes. He was -21. I'm convinced he was personally responsible for every positive thing to happen for the Wolves during those 9 minutes of court time. He might be the Wolves' MVP for the game.
- Wes Johnson shot his first free throws of the year. Hooray! Last year Wes had 3 six game stretches without a FTA. In this game, he got to the line by passing up a corner 3 and driving into traffic. Baby steps, I suppose.
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It was kind of a must win game.
For the Twins fans to keep jacking up Wolves ticket prices.
I have no idea how good/bad Flip is/was...
Was it all a mirage?
Did he used to be okay?
That Wiz roster is a trainwreck, though.
I mean… where are the leaders?
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I couldn't stand Flip when he was here
I think his offense is one of the stupidest things ever put on a basketball court and his rotations were screwy. That being said, what do I know?
I do think that he hasn’t adjusted to the changes in the league that have been obviously happening around him.
I have a tough time saying a coach who has won at a high level at two stops
Is bad.
He had good players, but we’ve seen coaches screw up teams of good players, so I don’t think it’s automatic. Take Detroit, they were in the playoffs Flips last year and then got a new coach….that was about it, actually added Ben Gordon, who flaws aside, is a reasonably competent NBA player and they’ve been a wreck ever since….And heck, so have we since he left
You’re argument about him not adjusting to changes in the league is legit however, we’ve also seen plenty of coaches that were at one point good, struggle to maintain a level of success as they were not willing to make the proper changes.
But I do think Flip, while he was here and in Detroit, was a very good coach
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Underachiever
Flip has gone to the playoffs 11 times and not once has he had a team over achieve its playoff seed. Not once in 11 trips.
that's pretty damning
I remember Dan Barreiro, in one of his rants somewhere near the end of the string of seven one-and-dones, exclaiming “Somebody needs to explain to this coach, this franchise, that you ARE allowed to exceed expectations.”
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Flip is Terrible
I’m in DC on business. Attended this game and Friday’s game against the Knicks. Can’t emphasize enough how poor the body language is among Wiz players. Everyone has tuned Flip out. There is no half court offense to speak of. McGee looks disinterested and doesn’t run up the court. Crawford and Young shoot whenever they get the ball.
Hard to say if that's coach or players
They have a pretty bad cast up there
Just read this by Ken Berger at CBSSports.com
In a performance labeled “sickening” and “embarrassing” by Andray Blatche, whose own performance also could’ve been thusly described, the Wizards fell to 0-8 Sunday with a 93-72 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Afterward, Blatche (10 points in 31 minutes on 5-for-16 shooting) attempted to get coach Flip Saunders’ back, but ended up making his coach look bad in the process. It’s been that kind of start to the season for the Wizards, who can’t even fall on their swords properly. “Flip is definitely doing his job,” Blatche said. “I just don’t feel like guys are listening and following behind what he says and what he wants us to do.”
Ummmm, thanks, Andray???
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
The Wizards are chock full of dipshits.
Blatche was the initial captain to open the season and he’s likely the dumbest guy in the league. They’re a terrible, unlikeable collection of guys. Flip’s system is likely just as a bad a fit for them as Rambis’s was for the Wolves, but there’s really not much to work with.
I assume you've watched this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48
Blatche…soo sad bro
that's awesome
I love one comment underneath “HOW THE F*** DOES ANDRAY BLATCHE GET 13 ASSISTS?”
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 8, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
An offense built on the long 2 point jumper
Was not enjoyable to watch. I blame the large string of first round playoff losses with KG as a direct result of Flip’s long jumper offense. Live by the jumper in the regular season, die by the jumper in the playoffs.
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
Flip
has always gotten the most out of veteran squads. Now it’s certainly possible that those teams were just much more talented than his current squad (they were), but he was never really great at developing young talent in MN or DET, so when the wizards jettisoned their core that might have been a better fit (Jameson, Butler, Arenas) for a much younger, much less disciplined, less talented core (Wall, McGee, Vesely?) he really became a bad fit.
"has always gotten the most out of veteran squads."
Don’t tell that to Detroit…
Or MN every year but one….
regular season
7- 50 win seasons under his belt.
"Getting the most out of the regular season"
Sounds like a recipe for mediocrity when its added to flame outs in the Playoffs.
See the Twins of the past decade…“We’re just happy to compete for the division”.
Those good old twins
I hate the amount of support for the mediocre product that the twins put out that the state of MN gives. They never make any moves, they only do good enough to compete in our horrible division.
Damn you midwestern culture!
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 9, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
The Wolves and Vikings have set the bar so low
that competing for the division makes them the best team year in and year out in town.
Clever with some of the tools
The long jumper worked well if you had two of the best long distance 2pt shooters (Stop n Pop and Sam Cassell) to play the game. He was also unbelievably clever when putting his mutant PF on the top of the key in his zone defense.
What coach would have moved us past LA or San Antonio? Without the injury to Sam Cassell, he likely would have won the finals…
After all, he’s no Wittman… and he’s no Rambis.
by midlife crisis on Jan 8, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
KG was pretty reliable with the 15-18 foot jumper.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
those were fun years...
Hopefully Love gives us another 10-12 years of it
by midlife crisis on Jan 8, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
why the hell not
can he do worse than Wayne Johnson? Not possible.
Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.
nice write up SnP.. enjoyable as usual..
not a lot more for me to say as I agree with everything you said.
One thing about luck in drafting
I would have killed for John Wall when he came out. Was so bummed we didn’t win the lottery. Now I’d take Rubio over him in a heartbeat. Just seems like Rubio’s BBIQ dwarfs Walls.
Rubio and Williams were both awesome today. And I think they both have good heads on their shoulders. Go Wolves!
Bad basketball by the Wizards
But I wouldn’t call the game atrocious. The Wolves played more competent defense,a dn Rubio’s assists and solid shooting made for some watchable basketball, at least from a Wolves perspective. The Wizards are terrible. I blame Mike Prada for all his smug backhands at the TWolves the last 2 years, karma’s a bitch Mike.
Maynor tore his ACL last night and now Bad Russell is being backed up by Reggie Jackson. The West continues to get more wide open. Let’s do this, now.
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
by Ebomb on Jan 8, 2012 4:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
what would we get back?
I don’t see a lot on OKC that we’d be able to pry away that’s not part of their core team (Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Perkins)
Thabo? Nazr? Lazar?
Thabo and a draft pick, maybe??
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Daquan Cook
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be a superiorly great trade
I’m in
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think a competant back-up PG
is more valuable to OKC than Cook’s 15 mpg at SG. He’s a nice piece for OKC, but I think he’s more valuable to us.
Cook or Ridnour?
I got lost, is Ridnour more valuable to us or Cook?
One other trade I was thinking is like Randolph and Ridnour for Sefalshoa and Cook….one swoop cure our two guard problems at least from a depth stand point.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Ridnour is more valuable to OKC than Cook.
And Cook is more valuable to Minny than Ridnour. Seems like a win-win swap.
Maybe
Even though I thought of it, I’m not that high on Cook, really. He’s a souped up Wayne Ellington. All he does is shoot 3s. At least he takes and makes them. He certainly could profitably soak up some of those Johnson-Ellington crap minutes.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Cook absolutely only shoots threes
But he’s decisive and isn’t a basket-case when the opportunities come along. Plus he makes them (over 40-percent since he has been in OKC, which is when he stopped shooting Long-2s)
Seriously, if all Wes did was stand on the perimeter and shoot 3-pointers effectively and decisively, how much more balanced would the offense be. I think Cook does that. He’s definitely not THE answer, but it’s a way to add another competant player who brings something to the table that is currently not there.
His offensive game stands to benifit
from going from a team where he is not even needed really
to a team where he will probably be used heavily to score points
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Tired of past years- adding "meh" players.
I need an above-average 2 who can take defenders off the dribble when needed, and no fear to take that 4th Q last shot.
I like Ellis for that spot (expensive and lack of defense, but out-weighed by the dynamic that could make this team complete). Give them Beas, Wes?, PEK. I suppose I should put that in the trade calculator before suggesting, but it’s down right now awaiting new CBA rules.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Problem with Ellis
is the assumption then would be GS is willing to take 3 dreadful players for him?
Williams is probably what you have to move….I’m a little skitty with the idea trading Williams for Ellis…but I’d probably in the end do it.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 8, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what if we gave them four dreadful players
by midlife crisis on Jan 8, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Now you're talking
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I too like Williams
And I’m incredulous when fans say after two NBA games " we must trade DWill". just wacky.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
COOK!!!
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
lets see if we can nab Lazar from them
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
sefolosha>cook
sefolosha can make open 3’s and does something neither luke nor cook does, guard 2’s at an almost elite level. he is no tony allen, but you can put him on almost any guard and know you won’t get torched.
if you trade luke for cook straight up what are you getting? a taller look who can’t handle the ball? luke and cook are atrocious off guard defender, both shoot open 3’s at a similar clip, but luke can play 2 positions on offense and handle the ball (which only 3 guys on this team can do). if you get cook and sefolosha for ridnour and ellington, sure go for it. but if you can only get one, sefolosha and rubio are the best pair you can put defensively right now in the backcourt. you’d need some offense from the other 3 guys, but you’re half way there on D.
by kuntraidor on Jan 8, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, but Sefalosha is not going to be available
Also, he doesn’t shoot 3s well.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo is the better defender, I'll grant you that
It’s only one metric, but OKC was 20.2 points worse per 100 possessions when Thabo was on the floor.
Per Hollinger:
The other reason to chew on that idea is because offensively, well, he’s not good. The Thunder were a shocking 20.2 points per 100 possessions worse with Sefolosha on the floor, even though nearly all his minutes were played with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook on the court. The issue here is that Sefolosha magnifies weaknesses already present up and down the starting five — he’s not a good shooter, he’s a sloppy ball handler and he doesn’t move well without the ball.
thabo with westbrook=bad
thabo with rubio=better
that’s how i see it. there is no need for thabo to move off the ball in that offense because he isn’t getting the ball on cuts to the basket or curls off screens, he is creating those so russell can penetrate or durant can get open.
i think he can be a good spot up shooter from 3, he has regressed, but it’s much better than what wesley can offer, which we shouldn’t forget is the other options right now.
cook is obviously a top shooter, and his release + rubio’s court vision = money, but sooner or later you have to start putting good defenders on the floor, you can’t play barea-rubio (decent guarding 1’s so far, not 2’s), ellington… forever there and hope the other team doesn’t take advantage of it.
Cook or Thabo
is a serious case of “grass is greener” syndrome.
Luke isn’t untouchable, but he’s a decent player who’s contributing, that’s important for a 7 deep team.
Yup- keep Luke. Great 6th man.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
It's terrible.
I have a sick feeling this season is going to be replete with this kind of thing.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
and the Wolves with their 18 man roster
will take advantage and load up on draft picks for players like Pekavic when teams realize they are down to 2 big men
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
You're talking to the wrong guy
about trading Pek. He’s my boy.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
and if he finds out you've advocated a trade
… Pek might eat your heart
by midlife crisis on Jan 8, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I've been taking Pek lessons.
I’m a green belt at heart-eating.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Lol he also never plays
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
You're right.
In the two games since he came back from the groin injury, he’s only played about three minutes total.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I still think the Wolves have a chance on Tuesday.
Not sure how long this will continue, but every team on night three of a back to back to back has won this season.
Mannafest Destiny
by BeLoved842 on Jan 8, 2012 4:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry for the lack of a game preview, everybody.
I’ve been running a basketball tournament all weekend, and for some reason, thought the game was at 6 PM tonight and not at noon. My bad. Great result, though.
Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline
I almost missed the game due to my uncertainty about the outcome.
Without your prognosis post Tim, I’m totally flummoxed as to how the game will come out! Not to put too much pressure on you and bearing in mind that those 30 teams were equally dependent on your skills, WTF were you trying to do to the fragile psyches of the folks on this site? Please assure me that this sort of crisis won’t be revisited on us due to something as trivial as a family medical crisis or somesuch! %
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
That game was one ugly mother
and watching, I kept thinking two things: 1) the Wizards are turrrrible! WoW, and 2) is this what the Cleveland fan(s) thought of us during our previous game??
Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.
He can't possibly be that good
The question now is: how good is Ricky Rubio? Is he top ten point guard in the league already?
I'd also like it noted
I’m calling it now. Rubio will make the All-Star team.
www.unleashkevinlove.com
Well he sort of has the Yao effect going for him.
Sometimes I query Ricky Rubio on twitter (OK, I do it all the time). Every 2 seconds its someone saying they voted for Ricky for the All Star game written in Spanish.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I heard Hanny say Rubio is leading all players in fan voting
But I can’t find the numbers on that anywhere yet.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
With you.
I kinda called it a couple games in, but very quietly and non-commitedly in the midst of a game thread.
It’s happening.
Live And Stupid From England
I thoughts it should've been Love, Williams, Rubio on our ballot
Not so sure about Beas, although if he got in that would be awesome since his trade value would increase.
He needs to be traded to a 1/2 court team that needs a high-volume, pretty-high percentage scorer…. that is, traded for something great in the form of a 2-guard.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I really enjoy Rubio
He is going to be an impact pg in the league for a decade. He in no way is an all-star this year. He is however an exciting and prolific passer, and becomes a better shooter in crunch time. Definately a gamer. Lots of turnovers thus far and he has been torched on defense.
I really love his game but he’ll have to wait a year or two to adjust and perform at all-star level. But as Kidd and Nash fade from the scene, he will emerge.
Problem is he’s such a better true pg than you’ve had he seems like an all-star.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
The torched on defense meme seems to be catching on but I really don't think it's true
He occasionally gambles, but most of the time he stays with his guy and forces difficult plays
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
During this one
I thought RR and At looked like the Wolves two best defenders. I like the way Rubio knows how to slow down the other teams offensive rush in the waning seconds of a quarter.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 8, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
He and Barrea were lit up v Milwaukee
And Stephen Jackson is off to an aweful start shooting.
RR was abused v Cleveland etc. It doesn’t make him a bad player.
This is not an indictment. I thought they should have traded his rights, based on Euro numbers. You held fast, AS DID KAHN (nobody gives him credit for holding firm on Ricky). I was wrong. You were right (I believe). But as refreshing as he is he is not the end all, yet.
But there is a learning curve. He must learn angles, what’s allowed in the league etc.
I appreciate your zeal but you stated after a preseason game Jennings isn’t nor will ever be better than Rubio ( paraphrase). Well check out Jennings numbers this season.
I’m sold on Ricky but he won’t be an all star this year or next. He is however really good, and really good for this team.
He’ll never be all defense but I certainly expect him to improve.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
But the funny think is I see all these PGs I pined for and I’ll take Rubio over them, because a player like that is so awesome to lead a team. I’d take Rubio over Jennings any day of the week. Heck I’d take him over John Wall.
That's what I mean
I don’t know if I’d take him over either but he is fun and brings energy and excitement where there was none.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I have absolutely no memory of saying anything like that about Rubio vs. Jennings
Zeal? Where’s the zeal? Nothing in my comment could even remotely be called zeal. In fact, nothing about my attitude toward this team has any zealousness whatsoever.
I think he’s done well defensively. I don’t think he’s an all-star, and certainly never said he will or should be this year. He’s frankly been significantly better than I expected to this point. But he isn’t an all-star.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Your zeal is based on 50 Rubio comments, not one.
And there is nothing wrong with that. I thought it was you that made that remark Re Jennings after the preseason game. I’ll look for it. We’re not fighting here. I really like the guy. I love pass first pgs, even though I was a scoring and passing pg ( but I think I pissed off teammates at times when I wasn’t hitting).
Rubio is so much better than what you’ve had it’s easy to over project him. That’s my point. I think he’ll be an all star ( or earn it) in his third year.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
My response to all star was to Erikanthony
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 8, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
AllStar
I’m not saying he’s performing at an All Star level, but I believe he will be voted into the game. People want to see him play.
www.unleashkevinlove.com
OK, I'm checking out Jennings' numbers this season.
PER (Rubio then Jennings): 17.5, 16.4
WS/48: 0.157, 0.092
TS%: 0.574, 0.487
A/TO: 2.35, 2.15
ORtg – DRtg: 8, -2
This is, so far Jennings’ best year, too. Being in Wisconsin, I get to see a fair amount of Jennings. I think he’s really fun to watch, but he’s a very inefficient scorer who isn’t shy about shooting. I didn’t say it at the time, but I’ll say it now: Jennings isn’t nor ever will be better than Rubio.
I think you are way off TD
Ricky’s man D has been much better than anticipated. when he gets abused it is usually when he is screened out of a olay and no one helps him or if he has to guard 6’7+ players in the post like Sjax (who is actually quite good) or livingston.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
". . . when he gets abused it is usually when he is screened out of a olay . . ."
I think you mean “when he is screened out of an olé.”
Sorry. I couldn’t resist that typo in a post about Rubio.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Knew it was coming
Curse the lack of an edit function!
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It isn't true at all
For a rook he has more than held his own. He is incredible at moving his feet the right way to minimize the quickness advantage guys like wall and westbrook have over him. He smothered Wall a few times yesterday.
He will take his lumps and get beaten from time to time but his anticipation, length and smarts make him a better defender than even I anticipated. I can’t wait until he gets confident enough to start picking pockets.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
depends how you look at it
But probably
And if you narrow it down to pass-first guys he is really up there.
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:48 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Wizards are...well...uhmm
…like….ahhhhh…hmm, nyeahhh….fuckin terrible
Thank you
For your incredibly informative commentary.
by SSOL (thats what she said) on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
He wasn't far off.
Actually one of the better posts from Mr. Dr_Deficate.
I don't think it's global warming...
It’s just the Rubio effect.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 8, 2012 5:21 PM CST via Android app reply actions
snow melting
so flowers can pop out of the ground, butterflies can fly free, and rainbows can criss-cross the sky
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 8, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes, what a win will do to you.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 8, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Chuck Norris daydreams about being Ricky Rubio
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Even Pekovic played
Nice to see our starters leave the game with a big lead and be replaced by the bench……
by righteousindignation on Jan 8, 2012 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Or "starters"
Most of them don’t play in the 4th quarter anyway!
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 8, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
He got in for the last 1:36 or something like that against the Cavs, too.
It’s worth staying, even in a disheartening loss. I cheered his name, and then helped my companions watch carefully to see if he’d commit a 3-second violation. Sure enough, Pekovic could almost be seen counting seconds aloud. He walked over to the edge of the lane and did a neat curtsy to put both feet out. Awesome.
"Opinion ...a confession."
And no fouls!
And two offensive rebounds!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he's in good shape,
but that likely can’t be sustained.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm OK with Pek fouls
As long as they’re “statement” fouls.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 8, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
Or moments like when Cousins tried to push him and failed.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I can see him in the middle of a zone
saying, “Don’t bring that crap in here,” to a few point guards that have become annoying.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 8, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I picture him sliding to fro through the lane yelling
“DoooOOOOOOOoonnnn’tttttttt”. “DOOOOOOOOOnnnnnnnn’TTTTTTTTTTTT”.
Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.
Wait- I thought you only had to pull ONE foot out of the lane to reset the 3-second clocks.??
Am I wrong there?
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I think you have to 'establish position' outside the lane
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 8:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rules, exceptions, bad refs
FIBA rules say that both feet needs to be stablished outside the lane to reset the three seconds.
There are som exceptions though:
1. Exceptions shall be made for players that tries to get out of the three-second zone.
2. Also for a player that is in the lane while a teammate has started a shot-motion and the ball is leaving, or has just left, the players hand/hands in a shot-attempt.
3. And there is an exception to be made for a player that dribbles the ball in the lane in a try to make a shot-attempt after being in the lane for less than three seconds.
These are rules from the Norwegian Basketball Federation. I do not know if they are different, but I don’t think they are. Feel free to correct me.
Personally, I hate this rule. The refs in Norway suck at calling it.
In Mn
We play according to the rules of The Sons of the Norwegian Basketball Federation.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
And here's the Federation President:
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
grettings from Spain
I could not avoid reading this post
What Would You Want for the Rights to Rubio?
???always thought you had confided in him
by maniol on Jan 8, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pelelope Cruz straight up for Rubio
If she’s willing to sign for 4 years.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Actually right now you could offer me Ricky Rubio
For Ricky Rubio + Cash and I wouldn’t do it.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd!
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Um.... Khan was right... "We ain't tradin Ricky Rubio..."
I’m glad he stuck to his guns on this one. Would LOVE to see what all we were offered though, as I’m sure some were worth entertaining. Glad we’ve got him.
This kid will be stellar- already growing, and just amazing to watch the mechanics of the team\ game change for the better when he is on the floor. Even with a turn-over or two due to other team members still trying to figure out what they’re expected to do.
What they’re expected to do is keep charging the basket.. and EXPECT the ball with the hands up. Reminds me of a brainy version of Farve. You better be ready.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote it backwards
I think you got the idea tho right?
by fanslaststand on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Are you talking frequent flyer miles?
Are those transferable?
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd want to be 20 again
and not be such a dork.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 8, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
good point, Rascal Flatts....
“starters” as in the guys who are in the game when it matters.
by righteousindignation on Jan 8, 2012 5:46 PM CST reply actions
let's call them finishers
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Reading the Comments
at Bullets Forever is reminding me of the 2009 T-Wolves.
It gets better.
What's really sad
Is all of them are talking about how we have such a sharpshooting team, and that Rubio is only doing well because our players are so accurate.
They know so little…
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
when you're that bad
(and we’ve been there), 3-5 looks pretty damn good.
Its just
if you go back one game, against CLE, you can clearly see that our shooting is hit or miss every night
but I can see where they’re coming from
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
you're totally right
How pedestrian did Rubio look against the cavs when we shot 4-20 from 3?
But to that same point, we actually do have a good 3 point shooting team. They just aren’t good at much else.
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:52 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is there a third option?
our shooting is hit or miss every night
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 8, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Horseshoes . . . hand grenades . . . brain surgery . . .
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Take dat rock to da hole
That’s what will make or break this team. We can settle for j’s all the time.
I'd hate to be a Wizards fan right now.
They could easily go another 5 or 6 without a win.
Live And Stupid From England
I think they said the NBA longest win streak was like 30 today in the broadcast.
I wonder where the most losses in a row stands.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
cleveland did it last year
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
24 game losing streak
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
It really is strange how badly wrong teams can be about where they are, and how much things can change.
The trade for #5, and Rubio, happened because the -Bulle- Wizards thought they were getting Agent Zero back and they’d be Eastern Conference contenders that year. They also were trying to control their salary in light of Gilbert’s massive(ly over-signed) new contract, which they’d inexplicably gotten tied to when he was only just coming off the injury.
It’s really only been two years since that point. Washington’s added the #1 overall pick, he’s not a bad player, and they’re still in this free fall right now.
Fate can be really unkind, as we know all too well.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Mike Miller & Randy Foye
There’s no way that trade could have gone better.
I'd like to see Mike Miller and Wes Johnson on the same roster.
The level of neurosis over three-point shooting would be almost unprecedented.
“Miller passed up the open three out of principle and love of the game; he drives under the basket and tosses a loooong pass back to Johnson! Johnson hesitates….” Ay yi yiii.
"Opinion ...a confession."
by feral on Jan 8, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
And in the way-back machine
Chad Ford “This trade was a home run for the Wizards. They will be very competitive in the East this season.”
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2009/6/24/923105/the-wizards-timberwolves-trade-is
Oh, those poor, poor Wizards fans
They knew Rubio was good, but “he’ll never drop to 5.” And “how long will it take a guy like Curry to develop into a helpful piece?”
A franchise has to be run on the premise of efficiency. The Twins and Vikings (especially the Twins, though) are the anti-efficiencies. The Wolves, now with people who can probably succeed in evaluating talent and with Kahn dealing, are turning into a very efficient organization.
The Wizards are not, and oh boy, they were not.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Dumb Luck
and Thabeet going #2 are pretty much the only reason we didn’t pick up Flynn and Thabeet 5/6.
Don't ever write that again.
It’s like the deadly joke in Monty Python. Nobody can know the whole thing, because it would kill them with laughter (in this case, horror).
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know the deadly joke,
but here is a link to the World’s funniest joke( 3 candidates actually).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World’s_funniest_joke
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Here's
the deadly joke.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
The twins were the most efficient team (IIRC) of the last decade
in terms of wins/payroll.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 8, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
"Rubio and Harden is the absolute best situation"
A post by Eric in Madison immediately after the trade. The only absolute known was that Blake Griffin was #1, so I have to say, kudos. Just imagine.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
I say this also because
while Rubio seemed the unicorn at the time, I and I think most of us didn’t put that faith in Harden. Rubio/Evans was my favorite, but that seems obviously wrong now. Rubio/Curry…mmmmm.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Rubio and Harden would have been so earth-shatteringly good
That is what I would consider to be the ultimate NBA back court
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Give EiM the credit
But that was my take as well. And what a dream scenario it would have been. Unfortunately, I think Kahn’s dream was Tyreke and Rubio.
Kahn's dream would still be better than Kahn's reality
I do not love Evans as a basketball player, but he is still a guy who produces at an asset level and is a functional SG
If Kahn were to jump on his low stock right now and make a move like Beasley/Johnson for Evans I would be all for it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I would agree with that.
I haven’t watched enough of Evans’ recent play in Sacto, but all I’m really interested in right now is wing players who play best OFF the ball. Doesn’t Evans need the ball in his hands to be at his best? I want the ball in Rubio’s hands all the time.
As I said, I was Rubio/Evans
But I have to admit, I didn’t understand how a guy like Evans, who needed the ball in his hands wouldn’t work. I thought it could be like Magic and Jordan…and now I realize that there might be a reason why guys like Magic and Jordan didn’t play together.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Um...not comparing talent levels, fyi!!!
You can't...dust...for vomit.
But Evans is much better than Flynn
and at the bare minimum would at least represent a tradeable asset if he and Rubio could not co-exist
I’d be curious to see it though…I think volume guys tend to play well w pass first pg’s if they can understand that they don’t constantly need the ball to score 20+ a night
it’s also why I really think Derozan would be super playing with Rubio
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
No way Rubio/Evans would work in reality
But as far as the argument of “both guys need the ball” goes… exhibit A:

you are probably right on Evans and Rubio
But I’d put my money on ‘exhibit A’ to win it all this year.
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 9:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If they can stay (relatively) healthy,
they’re pretty scary.
I still hate them.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think the main problem with Evans and Rubio
or Turner and Rubio,
is outside shooting.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 8, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
So start
Love/Williams/Tolliver
If that is the problem, it seems like a silly problem for our team to worry about
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Probably wouldn't be outside shooting
Wade and LeBron aren’t really that great from outside (Granted they’re not “in the zone”). I think the better comparison to Evans/Rubio instead of LBJ/Wade is Westbrook/Kidd… and I’m not betting on Kidd as the one who’d screw it up.
Negative
We’ll probably have to repeat this until the end of time, but the “plan” was Flynn and whoever fell, Thabeet or Evans. They did not expect Rubio to be there.
What's the argument?
I think we are just discussing the possibilities of had Rubio and Evans been there or Rubio and Harden as it pertains to our situation….at least that’s all I’m doing
I have no clue whether you are right or wrong, it sounds like Kahn really liked Evans and Flynn from everything I’ve heard, so you might be right….I’d be interested to know his opinion on Harden since he was taken at 3 it seems like I’ve never heard what Kahn thought of him probably cause he was taken at a place were it didn’t feel like we had a realistic shot at him.
I mean, just cause they loved Flynn doesn’t mean if Flynn, Rubio and Evans were all there they would have gone Flynn/Evans….Kahn, for all his faults, seems to be able to identify the “throw you out of town if you pass on him guy” which Rubio is, which taking a Byimbo and having him look real raw in the last year of your deal over Williams would have been. Curry is good, but most casual fans (which hate to break it to all of us, but the casual fans are sadly more than not the determining factor in all this) have probably forgotten about it. Passing on Rubio would have been a legacy maker and a short trip in town….so while you might be right, just to kind of argue the point a little….what do you think had happened if somehow Rubio/Flynn/Evans were all available….Curry would have had to go top 4 to make this work, which is probably what should have happened
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
"Kahn's dream was Tyreke and Rubio"
Not true. We just had this same discussion in another thread. Flynn was his guy. Evans or Thabeet would have been the non-Rubio pick.
So now your criticizing Kahn's dream?
Can’t you stick to criticizing the things he actually did? ;-)
And in light of Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams
I call for a halt on any Kahn bashing for at least a month!
09/10 were such poor drafts
Rubio and Williams were excellent picks
But we could be so far out of this mess had he just drafted okay players with the picks
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Haha
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Again though
Rubio/Evans/Flynn are available at 5/6 what does Kahn do?
Does he do the more logical Rubio/Evans or does he stick with his pet project?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
You guys are missing the point
A) he makes it up as he goes along and b) he doesn’t have pet projects. There is no logic. There is no consistent player measurement tool. Blueprint 2.0 was a marketing tool.
My question is
How much does Kahn even evaluate talent and to what extent does he just take what the staff around him says/feels and acts on that?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
The one smart thing I said that year
Actually, I’m trying to remember how I thought that was even vaguely possible at the time. Griffin was clearly 1, then I thought that Evans and Thabeet could go in the top 4, but I’m not clear on who else I thought might sneak in there.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Curry to OKC
would have to have been the move
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
And there were a lot of teams rumored to be big on Flynn.
Though the team that seemed to like him the most was Milwaukee… I wish they were drafting ahead of us that year!
Which one could argue may have been the right move for OKC
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I would have been sold on #5 and #6 to deal up for Rubio at #2, come to that.
As of the trade itself, and heck even as of the morning of the draft, the idea that Rubio would fall to #5 seemed pretty outlandish. First I heard of the possibility was that day, and when the guy in the Chipotle line told me they’d gotten him without dealing up I was very skeptical. Really?
"Opinion ...a confession."
This
I remember that debate vividly. I was willing to do it, but most were not. Didn’t think Rubio would be available; thought he was going to either OKC or SAC, and the Wolves would have been left with Evans, who I was lukewarm on at best. I thought it was going to go Griffin, Thabeet, Harden, Rubio as the top 4.
The big question was whether he would have come that summer had they gotten him with the 2nd pick.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
He only worked out for SacTown and I thought that was it. I remember Sacramento fans being worried when he was sick during his workout and hearing a report that his mom cut his steak during dinner afterwards.
Yes Sac wanted someone more mature
For example, someone who drives 120 MPH versus someone who’s too sick to cut their steak.
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
Today I wanted Adelman to
Put Wes in during garbage time and tell he to jack up shot after shot.
See what happened.
why not
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
He should have put Darko in
and told him, “you’re either going to attempt 5 dunks, or run sprints until you vomit so much that it erodes your facial hair.”
Three Point Specialists who can't shoot three pointers
Only in Minnesota
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
flashbacks to
Anthony Peeler and “Hollywood” Robinson
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 8, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Hollywood Robinson is my #2 all time "I want that throwback" guy
1.) Felipe Lopez. I dream of walking TC concourse with a faded #13 Wolves uni
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
my primary memory of 'Hollywood'
was bringing him in for our first 1st-round playoff exit. That, and he had to have been one of the only guys to have ever played in the NBA with progressive lens eyewear.
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 9, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
My primary one is a "choke" signal he flashed at the Mavs, back when Dallas still sucked.
He did the whole “taunt them after you’ve stolen the game late” hands-around-throat gesture, leaving the court.
Between that and the nickname “Hollywood” it was pretty hard to take the guy. He didn’t kick any pregnant women, though…. So improvement!
"Opinion ...a confession."
Comparing the three players, cough cough,
If Anthony Peeler could still play, we’d still probably be starting him.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Lord
Looks like Hollywood Robinson would be starting, as well.
I’ve never been able to shake the image described by then-City Pages scribe, Britt Robson, of Anthony Peeler sitting on the bench, laughing and engaging in casual conversation in the waning moments of a playoff loss. The feelings of betrayal and rock-gut sense of disillusionment when he realized that – yes – he actually cared more about the team winning than most of the guys playing on the team. Congratulations, Wesley Johnson. You are worse than this guy.
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Wes has more hesitation than my 65 Beetle with bad points and a clogged fuel filter...
I seriously think hypnosis therapy might be helpful, " envision the basket as wide as the ocean , and the farther you step back to get behind the line of certainty the better the outcome"!
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
I had one of those
A convertible as my first car. Used to drive to the beach in Southern California and had to floor it before driving up hills.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
I used to call the thing my Gesthalt vehicle
for obvious reasons. Don’t ever let someone try to talk you into restoring one, it was the least reliable piece of machinery I ever owned. The Fiats and Citroens of the day were the only thing more prone to failure…
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
My brother restored an original Beetle.
It had everything but a reverse gear. He worked around it.
The 2012 Beetle’s been restyled, I kind of like it. But then I also like the wee FIATs that just came over, too. Cars should be humble and funky.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Even if DThrill truly will never be an NBA 3
Can we just get over that for now and realize he is easily one of our 6 best players.
Our starting frontcourt should be Williams/Love/Tolliver, they give you enough versatility to the point where RA can hide Williams every night almost and offensively the three seem to play really well together.
It’s amazing how bad Beasley has been…..and depressing.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
well he can't guard 3's
But if you squint his offense game looks 3ish. At this point it seem we just have to play Love at center and Williams at 4.
Only problem is, we need players on our second unit, and we can’t be trotting out 7 man rotations on this lockout schedule.
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's why you play him w Tolliver
Williams appears to have a long way to go defensively at almost every position but help side post (where he does appear to have some shot-blocking ability…..even if he didn’t do it in college) but you pair him with Tolliver and what you do is you have Tolliver guard the best offensive front court player, you have Love guard the next best post and then Williams guards whomever is left (post or wing) and just kind of suffer through it if it happens to be that bad of a match up.
I was at the Cleveland game and I think I actually blame Rick Adleman for the loss. He should know by now that, yes I understand he has to play people even if they suck because he doesn’t have much of a choice, but playing Wes-Beasley-Darko together for roughly 18-24 mpg is not the way to win. I would just bring them off the bench and pepper them in. Maybe start Wes just because we are so damn thin at guard and then bring Beasley and Rubio in and take Williams and Johnson out and then bring Darko and Williams in for Bealsey and Love to give Love a break….
I understand he has to play people right now…but they don’t all have to play together
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
"that's why you play him w Tolliver"
That could be said for a lot of players. He’s our utility guy and he’s damn good at it.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 8, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Beasley
I think it’s time to consider moving him as an expiring-contract asset. Teams are angling for the 2012 FA Class and expiring deals are valuable to those teams, right?
I’d honestly be angling to pick up other teams’ apparent 2-guard trash right now. It looks like Utah would dump Raja Bell for nothing; same with Sacto and Fran Garcia.
If we still want Thornton and Afflalo at their contract levels
they might become available as their teams might start having contract hang over
Especially in Sacramento if they keep losing
If we did a deal with Sacramento I’d really be interested in trying to get Jason Thompson from them too. I think he’s got a lot of ability that is not being correctly utilized in Sac
Beasley/Randolph as expiring deals and maybe something else for Thornton and Thompson
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
that's the only reason you can get him though
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Sac would probably consider
This is tough w/o trade machine:
Beasley=6/RFA
Randolph=2.5/RFA
Johnson=4/2013 team option
Darko=4/2013 team option
for
Marcus Thornton=recent recipient of 5/40
Francisco Garcia=6 million this year and next year, team option 2014
Jason Thompson=4 mil/2012RFA
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I throw words like "probably consider" around a lot
I just mean, if they are having contract hang over…this might be a trade they would look into
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Thornton and Garcia
I’m in. That said I’m sure that Sac laughs at us offering all our garbage. I honestly wouldn’t mind keeping Darko at this point
see my above comment
I didn’t mean that this is a trade I know for fact they would do.
It really depends where they think they are going with their roster?
Is evans a 1 or a 2? How much do they like Ferdette? How important is getting big contracts off their books (i know they are one of the cheapest teams in the league)?
They have like 8 SGs….so nothing is impossible
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I actually thought we should chase thornton in FA
so trading our junk for him is great and Garcia is the type of average-ish wing that we’ve been talking about acquiring since the season started.
I really really don't like Thorton
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 8:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
He's a fine player
if we can get him w/o giving up Williams/Rubio/Love/Tolliver/Barea I think you absolutely have to do it.
I don’t love the contract…outside of shooting the ball I don’t really know what he is good at…but he is good and he is effective
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
exacty
I wouldn’t want to give up any of the players we can count on to get him.
But give up Wes, Beas, whatever and that’s fine
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 8:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Best description of Thornton's game...
Came last season when Chris Paul screamed at Carl Landry after a play that he should know Thornton never passes and to play him for the drive.
If he can score 20+ ppg
On decent efficiency, and history shows he can, I don’t really care if he passes much. We need a scorer/finisher at the 2 and he would be very nice taking Wes’ minutes.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So, Sacto is going to give Thornton big cash in the off-season
then immediately trade him for our junk? Call me crazy, but I’m not seeing it!
It is sad to see when Ricky feels the need to pass
to a wide open Wes at the 3 point line twice in a possession because Wes dribbles inside and passes it away to avoid even that shot. I just hope that he, unlike Jonny, doesn’t check online blogs such as this after games. It’s the sort of thing that could really ruin his outlook.
I think sometimes Ricky is prone to putting up a three just because everyone playing the 2 is either afraid or unskilled enough that it’s safer for him to take the shot than to let them turn it over or miss.
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Wes, if you're reading this
Get away before its too late.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like, when given good minutes, Ellington usually produces
It feels like whenever he’s given 25+ minutes in a game he usually plays well….I wonder if A) if that is true and B) If he’s one of those guys that just needs to play his way into a groove and get warm a little before he can get going.
But it seems like he looks like ass when he knows he’s only play 6 minutes in a game cause he tries to over-compensate….but when he gets to go out there and do his thing, he just does it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I suppose my beef with Wayne is less about his offense
which is poor to middling, as he seems to shoot at a reasonable percentage, it’s more about the times when he ends up on his keister when trying to defend the opponents 2. I seem to recall at least three in stances of that so far this season.
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
and thus, probably why he doesn't consistently get the 25 mpg I'm suggesting he needs to get going
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Classic inverted reasoning candidate:
I feel like, when given good minutes, Ellington usually produces
It feels like whenever he’s given 25+ minutes in a game he usually plays well
This is like the thing with Martell. Uh, yeah, when he plays well he does tend to stay on the floor longer….
"Opinion ...a confession."
Exactly
Causation versus Correlation. Wayne has a long track record of suck. Maybe he flips a switch this year and things change for him, but given he was for 7 for 27 from the field in his previous 70 minutes played entering the Washington game, I don’t think much has changed.
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
No no. What happens is, he struggles for his first 18 minutes on any given night.
If you leave him out there past that point, though? Bam! World-class play! ’Cause his confidence has built up.
"Opinion ...a confession."
By then
The game is pretty much lost and it’s garbage time?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'd always play Wayne instead of Wes
if it comes down to that.
Also, I think Wayne is a competent (if far from ideal) 2, next to Ricky. He catches and shoots.
www.punchdrunkwolves.com
@PDWolves
comparison
Wayne: catches, shoots, misses too often
Wes: catches, fails to shoot, turnover or offense restart
what Wolves need:
Player X: catches, shoots, makes it reliably
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Wayne's 3PT% is respectable,
the same as Redick’s last year. In a super limited role (shooting threes only), he could be useful. It’s all of the other stuff that drags his value down. So yeah, he deserves a chance just as much as (or more than) Wes does, given the roster as it stands.
It's so complex
you cannot blame the front office for finding this a difficult nut to crack
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I was considering
Doing something like this as my first Fan Post. So I did a little research and looked at game logs for the 10-11 season. But what I found was enough to convince me not to write the article. The 23 + minute games he has are about 50/50. In roughly half of the games Wayne shoots a respectable percentage, has low turnovers and fouls, and contributes with either steals or assists. In the other half, he sucks and is just a body on the floor.
On a good team, Wayne is a deep-bench backup who only sees the floor if your two best SG options are down with injury.
by SSOL (thats what she said) on Jan 9, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thought this thread would be about
players with athleticism trumping their BBIQ. Instead it devolves into more Beasley bashing (when he didn’t even play), Flip bashing (when he is this franchise’s most successful coach historically), and draft day second guessing. I think it’s the knuckeheaded players in DC that are to fault for their ‘turrible-ness’. That includes the now departed Arenas. The most prescient comment I heard on the game today was JimPete’s comparison of Wall to Irving. Irving is already a better player than Wall, despite lacking some of Wall’s explosiveness. And, though he’s played very well in every game, Irving did outplay Rubio vs Cleveland. It seems almost every franchise has made some boneheaded picks with high draft choices, not just us. More evidence that it is far from an exact science. Our turnovers are still a huge weakness and it doesn’t seem to be getting better. We are just better able to survive if we get our shooting percentages up. Having Rubio lead the orchestra, while playing the inept Wiz, helps a lot.
I thought I'd get a puppy for Christmas
Of all those that you mention, Flip is the most germaine, and today was the day that I once and for all decided, in spite of my body, soul, and mind needing Tubby to go, I no longer want Flip to replace him. (Please no one give the score of that game, I’m halfway through).
You can't...dust...for vomit.
It took me awhile to figure it out..
…it’s based off of a headline ‘wolves paste wizards’ or something like that. Might have been espn’s recap thread.
2 of Rubio's 5 TO's were random
I didn’t get the see much of the 2nd half, but I know that 1 of them was a pump fake at the arc then drive where his heel clipped the outside boundary. The other I saw was a beautiful setup lob for Randolph off the P&R where Randolph just had his head down and completely blanked on the pass.
Unicorn all day.
He sees people open before they even know they are open
It’s surreal. He’s had a few plays where he threw passes that ended up as TOs and I honestly can’t blame the intended recipient even though Rubio was dead on in terms of making a good play. They’ll just have to always be ready.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 8, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
one came on a post pass to Love that he slightly overshot
another was, if I recall correctly, Wall stripping the ball in close traffic. I believe the last one was also AR looking for the pass.
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
I wanna see
Roobies
Wellington
Dwilt
Lover
Darky
give it a go for the start of some game
oh and those black uniforms
are the shnizz
Monday sounds good for this
Luke can be a back up PG
I was at the game today.
This was my first NBA game ever……I can sure thank the wizards for such an ugly one.it was funny how much the crowd booed everyone, especially when Jan aired that free throw.
by Mariners121212 on Jan 8, 2012 8:39 PM CST via Android app reply actions
You got to see Love and Rubio in your first game. Not a bad start.
The crowd at Madison Square Garden is unreal when the Knicks are playing bad. It doesn’t really come across on TV. It’s just brutal.
Ya I was pumped to watch Ricky and love.
Rubio got more cheers than most of the wizards players. And I also got to miss out on Michael Beasley
by Mariners121212 on Jan 8, 2012 9:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sounds like a win-win.
(I’m rooting for Beas, but this season has been painful.)
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, yes it has.
Plus it meant more dwill, which can only be seen as a good thing entertainment wise.
by Mariners121212 on Jan 8, 2012 9:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Im still a Beasley believer.
He just needs to drive inside a lot more to regain confidence on the outside shot which ive seen him bury in the past.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
by urluckyday on Jan 8, 2012 8:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This has the makings of it just not being "Beasley's year"
I love Michael Beasley and I have wanted for so long the past 18 months for him to be the player he can be in Minnesota…it would be a transformational move for this franchise if this was the place Beasley turned it around….but the longer this goes, longer it looks like Beasley will not be a member of our Timberwolves in the long run…and if that is the case his awful play is killing this team in the short run and I’d rather just see that go to DWill
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
It looks to me like it has the makings of just not being "Beasley's career"
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 8, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think he turns it around at some point
How many players that were that dominant in college just do nothing in the pro’s?
I would be really really shocked if he never becomes a quality contributing player in the NBA.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
He has to reinvent himself
Round out his game. Right now he’s being torn down (perhaps just in his own head). It’s not out of the question whether he can do it. Many have in the past.
Think of how so many guys are the head scorers in college, only to be role players like defensive specialists in the pros. Or guys who come back from injuries and have to redefine their games because they can’t jump out of the gym anymore.
A lot has been said about his inconsistency. But from what I’ve noticed there are a few top heavy teams who have studs who produce every night. Then the rest of the good teams have a deep pool of good players who take turns at scoring. Beasley has to find a role in that situation and come to grips that he will never be Lebron or Melo.
Juan Stockton
Is a gathering storm for a Rubio nickname on twitter.
I’m going with Riverboat Ricky for the way he gambles but to each their own.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I really like Juan Stockton
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
The Unicorn is kind of a fun novelty name
But Unicorns aren’t real.
And Ricky Rubio is very real. :-)
But
some of our expectations for him aren’t.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
He's taken Love's place now for the guy you think...
There’s no way he can be better, and then there he goes again.
I can only imagine what he’s like with a few seasons and summers under his belt.
+29 today.
I'm not sure.
Pedro Maravich, anyone? I don’t mind Rubio being (obviously flatteringly) compared to great point guards of the past, but he needs his own identity. He’s nobody’s Spanish second-act.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'll try!
But classes start tomorrow, so in about eighteen hours, the best I’ll be able to suggest will likely be “Dangling Modifier.”
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
"Leaving the dangling modifier up there, the ball's dunked home!!"
What happens is, we build sentences to describe outlandish passes, always employing dangling modifiers. It’s easy to do if you start in a sort of breathless “announcer speak” tone.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Sharply bouncing once between the defenders,
Rubio executes a ridiculous pass to Anthony Randolph for an easy dunk!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like I really need to see us get to 50/50 before 12 games are played.
That would be a great success for our wolves. I am still aiming for 32-34 wins this season.
Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)
by LoveLovesLove on Jan 8, 2012 9:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't really think he needs a nickname
Ricky Rubio is pretty fun to say on its own.
by trulyrand0m on Jan 8, 2012 9:25 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I roll my r's
on everything now.
“I would like to withdrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraw one hundrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred dollarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 8, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
They need to correct the announcer at Target Center posthaste
He says “Ricky” like he’s Peter Lorre is Casablanca.
"You deespise mee, don't you, Rreecky...?"
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
Ricard Rubio Vives!!!
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
I think by the end of the year
Announces will be able to say ‘Ricky’ and most of their viewers will know who it is. That is cooler than a nickname. Bron. Dirk. Mike. First name only is rare air.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 9, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Typo - *Announcers*
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 9, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Has there ever been a dumber starting 5
Than the one the Wiz rolled out yesterday? All they were missing was Stro Swift.
McGee and Wall at least have potential and are useful despite their blunders, but that team needs to get rid of Young and Blatch ASAP.
Also is Chris Singleton a secret gov’t clone or Corey Brewer or something?
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Wasn't he the defensive gem in last years draft?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Now, that's saying something.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Did you have a chance to see the disaster that is the wizard?
There’s a reason flip apologized to the paper after the game!
I didn't.
I was working Job #2 and then I went to a friend’s house for some brewing time. (Black IPA this time. That’s some serious malt.)
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well, serious as far as color is concerned.
A half pound of caramel 80 and a quarter pound of chocolate (I can’t remember what the other quarter pound was).
Blacker than night, it was.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Wait until you make your first stout (or RIS)
If you want to see dark.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
One of my first brews was a Russian Imperial Stout.
And I made the mistake of not adding water after the boil, so we had a recipe for five gallons, and we produced just over three gallons. That was some thick stout. It went really well with chocolate cake, though.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
It was fun to watch Ricky eun circles around Wall
But you did not miss much. The wiz are a terrible, selfish poorly constructed team. They make the Wolves look like the Spurs in execution
Black IPA eh? Was it a kit or did you make the recipe? Can’t say I have ever had one I liked but I hope yours turns out well.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My buddy found the recipe.
A different recipe made us laugh. It was essentially an IPA recipe, but you’re supposed to add food coloring at the end to make it dark.
Pathetic.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
In the past few months I've had two that I really like...
New Glarus Blacktop BIPA: very IPA, but a good, not too rich, coffee to it.
Alaskan BIPA (had it at the Muddy Pig tonight): much smoother, chocolatey, and not as hoppy.
Both excellent.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone had Allagash Black?
It’s harder to get down here in NC.
Clone *of Corey Brewer that is
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

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