J.R. Smith Interested In Timberwolves, Feeling Not Mutual
(SB Nation Minnesota, Scott Schroeder) The Minnesota Timberwolves seem to have quite a bit of trouble luring top-flight free agents due to the cold weather and sometimes seemingly-inept management. The times, they are a'changing. Free agent shooting guard J.R. Smith has actually expressed interest in signing with the Wolves, according to Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick.
In an odd turn of events, however, the Timberwolves might not be interested in the former Denver Nuggets sharpshooter.
While the Clippers and Knicks are known to be two possible landing spots for the scorer, sources close to Smith have also said Minnesota is in the running, in large part, because the Timberwolves can offer up to $5 million by way of their midlevel exception. The Knicks could pay Smith a pro-rated mini midlevel for $2.5 million, while the Clippers could give him the veteran's minimum. A source with knowledge of Minnesota's thinking, however, said Smith is not in the team's plans.
Smith is expected to return from China this weekend, following the end of the season for his team in China. He was expected to be in Asia a bit longer, but he and Josh Boone were unable to lead their team to the playoffs.
Considering the Wolves are currently starting Wesley Johnson at shooting guard, it would seem to be a no-brainer that they should upgrade the position with Smith if possible. Smith certainly has his problems, but he'd definitely be able to help spread the floor as the Wolves try to keep pace with other three-point shooting teams (see Magic, Orlando).
If there's a good reason to pass on Smith, that's fine. If the Wolves don't want to spend the money and continue to trot out Johnson, though, that's a problem.
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hahahahahhaha
Can’t agree more.
However, what if RA is the one not interested? SnP has stated multiple times he believes Team Adelman to be the ones with the koch now
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I just can't imagine
Adelman looks at what he has at the wing – especially at SG, and wouldn’t be chomping at the bit to have Smith.
I agree
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
first Bogans and now JR
gotta get full use out of their retarded draft pick I guess.
good thing you guys are such geniuses
We’d be lost otherwise. How can we ever be a real basketball team without Keith Bogans or JR Smith?
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:20 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
whooaaa
Bad players?!??! Well I never…
Actually, I didn’t say a single thing about Wes or Flynn, did I? I’m pretty sure this isn’t Wes OR Smith. There is probably something in the middle, isn’t there?
Look, my only point is, JR for a half season does us no good for next year. I wont cry if we get him, but a couple extra wins now probably isn’t worth a half season rental of a guy with questionable character.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:32 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You're asking how we can be a real team with Bogans/Smith
I thought I would return the favor of making stupid extrapolations. Either Bogans (pre-signing with the Nets and injury) or Smith would be
1. A cheap 1 or 2 year rental (I think Smith is looking at $2.5mil via the MLE)
2. Considerably better than what we have at the wing
3. Good enough that we could conceivably get the 8th seed in the playoffs with Rubio/Boith/XXX/Love/Pek
It’s clearly not a long term investment it’s simply shoring up our weakest position with a cheap veteran. This doesn’t hurt us long term unless we end up pushing Utah out of the playoffs. It may however help build a culture of winning (if such a thing actually exists).
I didn't say we couldn't be a real team with them
I was wondering how we could ever make it without them
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:49 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
clearly you didn't but you assumed that I think Bogans/Smith are THE ANSWER
their just incremental upgrades that were / are available at low salaries.
a culture of winning
By JR Smith
Look for it at your nearest Borders book store.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:50 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is just eye test
but I think that winning teams continue to play hard as the season goes on while losing teams mail it in and just go through the motions. Having a better player at the 2 helps us win. Also, how have the Denver teams he’s been a part of fared?
?
He was on a winning team every season in Denver. They had an almost 60% winning percentage.
That joke works better for things that are the opposite of reality….
The Art of the 3 point Shot by Wes Johnson
A Guide to Twitters by Nikola Pekovic
by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Feb 15, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Building and Maintaining Excellence by Glen Taylor
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Respect by DeMarcus Cousins
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
TO12 would have said
“Monster Double-doubles” by DeMarcus Cousins.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know that I would have said anything of the sort
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What about
How to Pass by Steve Nash?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Driving the Lane by JR Smith
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
you would say those Denver teams had winning cultures?
AI, JR and Carmelo? Kenyon Martin to boot.
I would say .600 win % be damned, they under achieved and most certainly did not have a winning culture.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Making Reasonable, Above Ground Fiscal Decisions by Kevin McHale
by Timberwolf in LA on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Re-Released
Featuring a brand new introduction by Glen Taylor and an epilogue by David Stern.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
"a culture of winning"
Dude was a MAJOR part of their 16 game playoff run a couple years back.
All players are rentals.
J.R. Smith for a 4 year deal gives me a quite a bit of pause. That’s a fairly long rental that will tie up a good chunk of cap space. J.R. Smith for the remainder of the season with a waived expiring (AR/Tolliver/ or Beasley/Miller/Webster if we intend to waive them/let them walk) is another matter. I can’t say what if anything is actually available. The one year rental to shore up a weakness and not have any long term cap or roster slot commitments is a GREAT short term solution. It’s what the team should be doing if they can’t find a long term solution. I’d be happier to hear they have a long term solution in the works. If the long term solution isn’t coming into play until the off-season then it shouldn’t impede short term thinking.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I am reversing my opinion of "better anything than what we have", and agreeing with TO12
Smith is a chucker on the order of the Bad Beasley. He would be poisoning the locker room if he wasn’t getting the shots he thinks he should have. Don’t forget, this is his biggest contract year and you can bet it would be a stat padding extravaganza for him. Maybe he’d like it here well enough to re sign, but he’s going to get big $ from some team, and I don’t think it should be us.
If Beas was ever as good a Smith we would still be in search of a wing.
Smith scores from everywhere, he shot 48% on long twos, he can get to the line and has an above avergae TS%(54.7). He’s also a good rebounder and decent defender, he also happens to play a position of need, his teammates seem to like and a good coach in George Karl seemed to bring out the best in him. If you can get someone of his caliber for the right price you do that deal.
Smith has a lower usage% than Beasley and Barea.
And he’s a much better scorer than both of them.
by Simitar on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
reality strikes again
and assists more than Beasley to boot.
We don't have a shortage of shots.
Pekovic isn’t going to get too many more. Love is already in 27% usage territory.
Shots taken from sub .500 TS% Beasley, Webster, Johnson, Ellington, Rubio, Barea to name a few are only a problem if they aren’t going in at a much better clip.
He’s taking a career FGA/36 of 15.6 with a career TS% of .547. That would have him taking shots at a rate slightly lower per 36 than Beasley and Love with an efficiency only beat by Love, Pekovic and Randolph. Effectively what you could expect is Ridnour level production with Beasley level attempts. On paper it’s a big upgrade.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
by Airete on Feb 15, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What is the problem with a chucker if he is a maker?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html
Madison Dan shout out time.
JR Smith routingly has TS% over .550 (which is good right?) and mainly shoots a lot of three’s (5 a game) but he hits over 2 of them and he’s only shooting 9ish shots a night off the bench
I think you could easily expect him to throw up 15 shots a game here…I’d say that’s far from chucking, and even if it is he is also making
not to mention 4.9 FTA per game would also help too
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Too bad we're not interested.
I understand that Smith is known as a knucklehead, but how bad could he be compared to our own M. Beasley? He’s a better player and fit for the team than Beasley as well. I saw this on Twolves central…Sign Smith and work a trade of D. Williams for Batum. Unlikely, but that would be a fun lineup.
Beasley is most definitely past his "knucklehead" days.
He’s cleaned up his act from what I’ve seen.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
wasn't he arrested just this past off-season?
that seems a little recent to be ‘definitely past his “knucklehead” days’
I want someone on this team who has a little swagger
and isn’t a smiling little bitch (wes) who is the worst starting wing in the game. If Adelman can deal with Ron Artest’ crazy ass, I think J.R will be just fine. If not, 1 of 7 other coaches will take him on their team and try to win…
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Adelman had the talented-but-crazy Terrence Williams for a couple years
and barely played him. That guy could average 18-6-6.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I think the knucklehead thing was a known issue
But no longer.
He’s been playing with George Karl now for a few seasons and just keeps on getting better. He was big part of the Nuggets success last year when they traded Carmelo Anthony.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Britt Robson on PA this AM
called him a “chucklehead”. That is, a knucklehead and a chucker. Said that if we think Beasley can have over shooting, no passing issues, JR would be worse. Britt was unequivocal in his negative attitude about JR.
Britt is not always right...
but he is right here. Just recently, JR’s girlfriend/wife/baby-mamma/whatever was in an altercation with someone in the stands in China.
Wes Johnson is not the only option today. Don’t think he gets more than 12 minutes on average per game (and shrinking). Depending on match-ups, you’ve also got a recovering Martell Webster and Malcolm Lee.
Would love to grab Batum or someone similar who can add to the team without the theatrics. Don’t think Rick Adelman suffers fools very well BTW.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
Big ball
Little ball
Big ball ==> altercation in stands between JR’s wife/sister/whatever while in China
Little ball ==> was his sister
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
I believe there were two seperate altercations.
The first was just involving his sister, the second was involving his sister and his girlfriend.
But J.R. has a much higher ast%, a much higher TS%, while carrying a lower usage rate.
Basically he passes more, shoots better and does so with less possessions so he’s really nothing like Beas.
George Karl on JR Smith
this past December, in his comments about Rudy Fernandez…
The season is being developed by the path I had drawn in his head George Karl. The Denver Nuggets coach has expressed his excitement with the new project and the latest additions. “I think Rudy can be like JR Smith, but something more sane,” Karl said in the radio station KKFN Denver .
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
which begs the question
why didn’t we go after Rudy, or did we…
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Did not
(From what I know.)
Kahn actually thinks that Martell and Malcolm Lee need their chance to shine and that Wes can improve.
The big rumor at the time...
…was that RJ Adelman contacted Crawford’s agent and tried to open discussions with Kahn. Kahn didn’t want anything to do with it because he thought Wes, Martell, and Lee were good enough to man the wing.
i'm not losing sleep over
losing out on Jamal Crawford.
we can sign him this summer if we want.
Isn’t the ideal running mate a great defender who can hit the 3?
A Posey-replicant?
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Its not missing out on Crawford that bugs me.
Its that Kahn thinks we have good enough players…
by Simitar on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Si
The problem here is that he thinks he’s sitting on something good and doing nothing about the obvious flaws with the squad, not necessarily Crawford or Smith or whoever.
What I don't understand
is even if Kahn rejects any outside criticism of the roster … why is someone within the Wolves not telling him how weak it is?
If he is hearing it but not listening … I thought he was being marginalized by the Adelmans … so why don’t they make trade w/o his approval?
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
But, but....
…they’re better! They’ve signed Love to a “flexible” deal. Rubio has made this a destination for free agents!
(The future arguments have become even more powerful for Papa Glen.)
I love you, Glen Taylor!
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
and Barea was how they chose to address their shortcomings this offseason given the options.
you can’t blame a franchise for publicly stating that they are giving their guys a chance to perform….Wes, Martell, as a business owner you have to play those cards out. (imo Martell is equal the disappointment of Wes upon his return, he’s blowing a fantastic opportunity)
My Take is this: they are a bit on their heels about Kevin Loves continued improvement (better then last year), Ricky is beyond their best case scenario good, PEK is the shiny new toy that Ricky pulled out of his magic hat….Adelman is evaluating his team.
These things take time and as McHale always said, it takes two to trade/deal.
I would be very very very very very disappointed if they don’t go out and Vet-Up this offseason.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
This offseason is a big one
(I guess most of them are). They can chose to double down on guys like Beasley, Webster, and Randolph; or the can let a bunch of guys go (the last list plus Miller and Tolliver) and go after someone really good, like Batum.
Right now, I think the Wolves are handcuffed by all of the deals Kahn has handed out ($4 million here, $4 million there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money). They can get around some of that after the season if that’s what they want to do. (Fingers crossed.)
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't blame them for publicly saying nice things about their bad players
I blame them for publicly sticking with their bad players while saying nice things about them.
I think there is a riff between Team Adelman and Kahn with the wing talent and Team Adelman is willing to sit a year to make this point clear to ownership. I think that sucks just as much as Kahn being incompetent. Win now. Win often.
(And yeah, patience, blah, blah, blah. The goalposts always get moved with this franchise.)
The last best hope is that Adelman's rotations are designed to prove a point
Rick: I gave Wes Johnson every chance, Glen, and he’s not good.
Glen: You mean, he’s not good YET.
David: Glen, I think a nice Lasagna dinner at your place would help Wes’s confidence and allow him to improve his jump shot.
Rick: We need to sign a wing player, forget Wes Johnson.
Glen: Rick, we’ll have a new wing player after I have Wes Johnson over for lasagna dinner! Think of the cost savings!
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Pitchfork count
what this season is going to do is increase the number of pitchforks exponentially, no longer just a tiny little website in size and scope….turning up the heat to a win – now mode.
As stupid as everyone thinks this franchise is (I’m more a Taylor guy myself) you’d have to have Kahn-a-brain to not realize the potential to rise to the top in the Western Conference right now…its wide open.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is
Adelman’s trying to get “hand” in his relationship with POBO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3tQaqizh0
I too am a lone wolfpack.
If this is true (and I have no reason to believe it's not)
Glen is not using the business acumen that built the campus in North Mankato or the time to trade formula he applied to his love life.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford is not exactly having a banner season
But Kahn thinking Wes/Martell/Lee were ‘good enough’ is so frightening. At the time Rubio was a big question mark and it seemed likely we had no NBA-caliber center.
So Kahn felt completely comfortable with a roster that looked like
PG: ?
SG: Average at best – probably way below average
SF: Average at best – probably way below average
PF: Very good
C: Probably way below average
Looks like a fool-proof plan for success to me.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think we didn't go after Rudy because he's one of those shooters who can't shoot.
He’s shooting 33% from three this year and shot 32% from three last year. I will say that even with his bad shooting from three he would have been a massive upgrade from Wes at both ends of the court.
Smith has always been supremely talented
I mean seriously talented. Makes you wonder why he’s never amounted to more than he has in the league. Then you read things like Karl’s comment and things become clear. Isaiah Rider, Starbury, Sprewell, Coleman… huge talent, slightly less in terms of “getting it”. You put Love or Rubio’s mindset in that group and they’re HOF. Instead they’ll SOL. We don’t need headcases in the locker room. Losing (which for this young team is inevitable) is tough enough without “it’s all about me” guys. Bring in character, bring in BBIQ, pass on the less than sane.
I don't really want to sign him, but um, I guess I expected the FO to
Don’t know what to think of this.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
I don't know if I would believe this report
I’ve heard many times the wolves aren’t on JRs list. JR actually said it himself on twitter.
Too much speculation to get all riled up.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 6:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
nope
Don’t think Amick has his “sources” right. JR posted on his twitter this evening that he hasn’t been in any discussions with the Wolves, meaning a) he has no interest playing here or b) the Wolves aren’t interested. Either way, unless something crazy happens where money is the biggest factor for him….he’ll likely become a Clipper
by brandon.crockett on Feb 14, 2012 5:09 PM CST reply actions
I agree with this.
Need to know the exact details first.
If this IS true, it’s very silly that we would not spend $5mil on JR. If I’m not mistaken, JR can also play some PG, correct? I’m sure that would make it much easier for those moments we don’t need to have Barea/Ridnour out at the same time.
The Kings of .500 And Under
????
Barea and Ridnour are fine as PGs, our problem is that we have no SGs so we trot them out as 2s and they get abused on defense.
+1
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have
Rubio and Smith logging 38 minutes with 34 of them being together and JR playing PG for his other 4.
The Kings of .500 And Under
hmm I don't think Ridnour is bad as a backup PG at all
and who will be playing SG when JR is playing point?
The Clippers are rich, getting richer.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
I've actually read the exact opposite...
…at Hoopsworld here.
Just goes to show you how rumors can get convoluted every time they pass from person to person.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
I think he's in the UK
sitting around enjoying being younger than Wes Johnson.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
by nodnarb on Feb 14, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Lol
Ndudi Ebi is 3 years older than Wes. But both will enjoy their lives due to the money they made as first round picks in the NBA.
by Are we cursed? on Feb 14, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's what Wes is always smiling about
It’s almost like he knows he has no future in the League, but got paid and that’s all that matters. Just looks obnoxious almost. God, I can’t believe I backed him so much during the draft process.
Hey, at least I liked Paul George over Xavier Henry. Booya to like 50% of Canis.
U Ryke?
Do you have links to those polls?
I remember them but I didn’t think there was much love for Xavier. I could be wrong, I wanted cousins or a trade down for George.
He's in Lebanon.
He’s done okay the past few years overseas. Averaging a double-double and a few steals. Not like anyone cares.
I bet McHale still cares
He might fit in with the Rockets, eh?
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
The Crabs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ndudi_Ebi
Ndudi played for The Crabs. The Basket Rimini Crabs
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
It's the economy, stupid!
Obviously he’d be interested in the Wolves, for twice as much as the Knicks could pay him.
Career 15 PER
I would maybe sign him to a 1 year deal at most. He can shoot but nothing else. If we want a player like that trade for Anthony Morrow.
U Ryke?
What is it with everyone wanting Morrow?
yea he can shoot lights out, no doubt. But can he create his own shot off the dribble? Is he a slashing guard that we desperately need? Not really in my eyes. He’s a really good spot-up shooter. At least JR can create his own shot (good or bad one)
by brandon.crockett on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
do the wolves need a guy that can create his own shot?
The Wolves have freakin Rubio! all morrow has to do is stand in the corner and knock down 45% of his 3’s, it would be a perfect fit!
Exactly.
He only lights it up against the TWolves, and that’s why people want him. Otherwise, he’s pretty much ehhh.
The Wolves performed better when they played Ellington, too.
eh you're right
Morrow does kinda suck. Smith is superior at a closer look. He seems like a cancer to me, but maybe I’m wrong.
U Ryke?
By just raw ability
he is probably the perfect SG specimen
clearly he can be a headcase….however not sure why this isn’t on the Wolves radar
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
It doesn't take much to infatuate Voodoo
he is probably the perfect SG specimen
Why do I feel like you say this about a different player (including other positions) every day? Hold yourself back a little, man. At least some of the time.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
Am I wrong?
I’m not saying he is the perfect SG but when you consider he is 6’6 220 can run and jump with the best of the, beat his man off the dribble and drill three’s all night long….what else is there for just raw ability?
I agree he is a supremely flawed player, but he would certainly help with his skill set
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say his physical gifts equal Kobe's
If he had the work ethic and discipline to match the guy would have been a superstar. As it is, he does some good stuff and almost as much bad stuff and drives coaches crazy. He’s the epitome of a hyper-talented streak scorer who is content to survive on his natural gifts alone.
I kind of love watching him just because his shot selection is so arbitrary and the quality of the defense seems to have no impact whatsoever on whether the ball goes in. I’d kind of hate playing with him or coaching him for the same reasons.
JR Smith is an all world talent
From a talent standpoint, it is hard to compete with Smith at the two. He blows Mayo out of the water on the athleticism scale for example.
If you add bball IQ and knuckleheadedness into the mix, then guys like Eric Gordon and James Harden soar past Smith in the overall desirability scale.
All of this said, Smith could really help the Pups and makes them a legit playoff team this year. I think a volume shooter/scorer like Smith would be a perfect compliment to Rubio (assuming Smith doesn’t need to have ball in his hands all the time); The guy is deadly from three, is a good ball handler (which Adelman likes at the two), can penetrate and get to the hoop, draw fouls, and he can also throw down Rubio’s alley oops. He can also run the floor as well as anyone and would go nicely with Rubio’s game in that way as well.
I would say he might even have more gifts than Kibe
I’ve always seen Kobe as have done a lot with only ‘very good’ athletic abilities.
Granted, it’s all relative. Kobe is a super freak of an athlete, but for NBA standards his physical gifts are only so good. Kobe is a man that has worked very, very hard.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:53 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
iPhone posting
You can expect at least a few typos each time
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:54 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I've said the same thing before, but I didn't want to sound too extreme
I don’t even think his natural BBIQ is that atrocious… his turnover rates aren’t terrible by any means. I just don’t think he studies the game at all, so he hasn’t really done anything to improve that way.
If he would have dedicated himself anything like a Kobe or a Garnett, he would have put up some insane numbers. He has every sort of athletic gift, including amazing coordination. He’s had seasons where he’s jacked up nearly 10 3’s a game and shot 40%. His natural shooting ability is pretty unreal.
I think you're selling Kobe short
He was all-world athletic for a while, but the sheer amount of minutes he has played have limited him quite a bit. This was even the case halfway through his career.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
he just flat out scores
he can create his own shot, and can get to the hoop. he’s athletic enough to play defense as well…
but besides...
scoring, shooting, defense and assists, what can he do?
by midlife crisis on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Sign JR Smith to be the 6th man.
i know its not my money, but 3-4 mil is not a bad price to pay for a possible playoff run
6th man?
Behind who? He’d instantly be the best wing on our team – and by a large margin.
of course.
but he will thrive while playing with backups, he’ll be able to shoot more. That will be the best way to use him.
also the best way to use Barea and the best way to use Beasley
Go look at his assist rate and usage rates. He’s not the black hole you think he is.
I agree whole heartedly
JR Smith is a baller. A trouble maker at times, but this is the NBA. There are going to be trouble makers. I really like what he brings. He is a capable ball handler and an above average scorer. He can move with and without the ball, and, like Zebano said, he’s not that much of a black hole.
I think this would be a fine pick up for the wolves. I’d have to think signing JR would have to be in connection with some kind of trade, cuz, ya know, we we have 15 players with Malcolm Lee back.
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by Michael C. Boosalis II on Feb 17, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
i'd be just like timberwolves management
to pass on something that makes the team better
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by Bob Mcflallergy on Feb 14, 2012 6:21 PM CST reply actions
it'd*
"We're just gonna put kevin in the naughty corner and set this caged lion free"
- Rick Adelman
by Bob Mcflallergy on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
it's just like CHers to instantly believe an article and blame the front office
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 6:54 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
it does
But the knee jerk reaction to everything is always the same, and is very played out.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:22 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
true
I’m getting tired of it myself. I’m also completely guilty of it.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
I said this above
but we have no draft pick, the only reason not to do this is money or worry that Smith will corrupt Love/Rubio/Pek. Drafting someone with a 4th pick is different because you generally expect to have that player long term and a headcase like Cousins could have more impact on your lockerroom than a 1 year rental.
what about the fact that he;s not interested or that this article is bunk
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Quite possible.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
what if?
Honestly I have no idea if the article is bunk or if he’s willing to play here, but it’s the front office’s job to try to improve the team.
I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else
but yeah this article is bunk, so we really don’t know what they think about this at all
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
You know what else is played out?
Having no NBA wings on our team.
Again.
I really don't understand
how JR would not be under consideration by the wolves. at least give a reason kahn. if there is no budget for him, fine, plead poverty rather than appear to be categorically rejecting a player than every single wing player ob this team. frustrating.
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by OR-7 on Feb 14, 2012 6:24 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Adelman has a history of getting them to play well for him.
Artest, Bonzi, Portland…
Yeah, they called them the Jail Blazers and they were so bad, they had to
trade them all for pennies on the dollar just to shed the image/nickname. Sounds great.
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1 dude. Half a season.
He’s not going to ‘infect’ Love or Rubio.
If he works out, we discuss a future. If not, nothing lost.
Half a season is lost.
That’s a lot of time and money if you ask me. I’d rather try to get someone else.
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That's fair.
Give me some examples of who you’d go after and how you’d get them.
absolutely do
JJ is for real. Plus it is someone we could put into our lob term plans. You’ll see how this works.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 6:58 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
*long term plans
Probably not too many ‘lobs’ for Redick
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think Reddick would take Lob City to the next level
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Insane.
JJ Redick cannot, and never will be able to, play defense. The guy’s a nice shooter, but we’ve seen his ceiling. Derrick Williams is a 20 year old physical specimen who has played a grand total of 29 games in a compressed, no-practice NBA season without the benefit of any off-season training camps. He has WAY more upside than JJ Redick. DWill may not be lighting it up this year, but give the guy some time and give him a break — especially because it takes longer for big guys to adjust to the NBA
by Timberwolf in LA on Feb 15, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
probably
But there is just no room here. I love dwill and think he will be a real good player. Unfortunately, he is a 4, and Love gets 40+ a game there. Even if we move Love to center for stretches, there just isn’t enough minutes for Will.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:40 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Whoops.
What I meant to say was I may agree with you about DWill’s lack of burn on this team, but I strongly disagree with trading him for a low-ceiling player like JJ Redick
by Timberwolf in LA on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
is that a blood stain on his shirt or a polo player?
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by littleboxes on Feb 15, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
(What is more douchey?)
Duke probably has some sort of ironic Cameron Crazy (Trademarked) official beverage. I imagine it is something either ironically effeminate or ironically gangster.
Redick is actually a very good defender, seriously watch the guy play.
So far this season he is holding opposing sgs to well below average production, he did the same thing last season and the season before that, he’s been a surprisingly good defender since he’s been in the league.
DWill will never be more than a backup on this team because he plays the same position as one of the league’s best players. If he has enough value to get this team an above average wing player they should make that trade.
My point is not that JJ Redick is worthless
It’s that we can get so much more for a high-upside 20 year old than a 27 year old, undersized, career 42% FG shooting, 8 PPG wing like Redick.
by Timberwolf in LA on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think that most are expecting to get a "star" in return for DWill but I think a more realistic return is a young-ish above average wing.
I mean Batum and Redick types, neither is going to be the type that gets you 20 a game but they are well above average who will help on both ends.
I’m not saying that we can get either player right now, just saying that these maybe the types of players to expect in return for DWill right now.
Reddick isn't young though
i think that is were people (me) don’t love the trade. Basically we had the 2nd pick in the draft and for that asset we acquired a 28 yeard old 6-3 SG
Batum would be fine. My preference would be to let Williams play three, but if Adleman isn’t going to do it Batum/Gordon would be fine
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Those types are available for the mid-level just about every year
I’d like to trade Williams for a wing, but we’d need to do better than that.
Which wings who are that good were available this year?
The only one I can think of was Aaron Afflalo and he was a RFA. I’m sure I’m missing a few but I honestly can’t think of any that were free agents and signed for the MLE.
To be clear I've been a proponent of acquiring Mayo because he's a considerably better than our SGs
but he’s nowhere near as good as Reddick and is still considerably worse than Meeks.
Reggie Williams, Jamal Crawford, Shane Battier, Keith Bogans, Caron Butler, Tracy McGrady. I’m pretty sure all those guys signed for mid-levelish deals. Shoot, the Clippers picked up Chauncey Billups to play SG for like 2 mil.
I guess I slightly exaggerated what would be available for the MLE, and none of those guys are as good as Redick at this point, but I don’t think the gap is so huge that it would justify trading Williams.
I’d trade Williams for Batum and a late first.
you think
we could get Batum and a late first for Williams?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Not in a vacuum
But Batum is a RFA this offseason and there’s not room for him to play more than 20 minutes a game in Portland’s rotation. The chances that Portland is going to keep him beyond this year are quite slim. That makes his trade value significantly less, and getting Williams for him would be a very nice deal for them given the circumstances. Otherwise they’ll likely get nothing.
Batum
was just moved into the starting lineup
Wes Mathews to the bench.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Trade for Wes Matthews then
Portland’s got a minutes/salary crunch coming on the wings and I hope we’re the team that takes advantage one way or another.
Wallace, Batum and Matthews.
I don’t think Batum ends up the odd man out. I hope so, but doubt it.
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sign me up for
Mathews, i’d take him in a heartbeat also.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
if the plan is to just keep him for 30 games
Then who cares… Pass. We need someone who can at least potentially be in our future.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 6:56 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
why get better today if it will do nothing to help tommorow?
Or potentially harm ‘tomorrow’
Anyways, it’s all moot. He’s not coming. We can speculate and debate, but it ain’t happening.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 9:14 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Because I want to see them win games this year.
And who says it wouldn’t help in the future? If he played well here and the team succeeded, maybe he’d be more likely to re-sign. Or of he doesn’t work out, we don’t consider signing him this off-season (where we otherwise would have), sparing ourselves a bad contract going forward.
Glen Taylor’s money aside, it’s a no-lose proposition to sign him this year. He wouldn’t be stealing minutes from anyone who ought to be getting them in the first place.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
He'd be stealing the minutes of my life that I'd be forced
to use watching him play for my beloved team. He’d be stealing the money that I pay to watch said games.
I don’t care about Glen Taylor’s money or Wesley Johnson’s playing time. I care about my money and my time!
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Ha!
I really don’t know how much his knuckleheadedness matters, or how much I’d grow to dislike him. But the guy can play, and his numbers are quite good for someone with his reputation. For a rest-of-season deal, I’d be pretty excited to see how it would work out. (I think you’ll be fine, though. I doubt it will happen.)
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
You wouldn't watch a talented player who can actually play sg because he's a so-called knucklehead?
He makes the team much better, probably stops Adelman from playing Wes and puts a couple of players back at the positions they play best and you wouldn’t watch but you’d watch a so-called knucklehead in Beasley who has more knucklehead behavior attached to his name and is nowhere near as good?
Adelman didn't coach the Jailblazers.
Mike Dunleavey was their coach.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Was accused of faking injuries to get out of playing in China
got into a a brawl with fans, general knuckleheadness
JonnyRotten Flynn, that is
Beasley got in a fight over a pick up game
Obviously he didnt want to play in China they should have just cut him anyways. If I didn’t want to play in China I would do the same things
Why did he sign a contract then?
He wasn’t forced to go play in China
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To get paid and play during the lockout like others did???
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't his sister that got into it with fans?
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
dude
Don’t even bother. JR is a knuckle, don’t even try to pretend he’s not
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 6:59 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don't tell me not to pretend, tell me what he's done that's all I'm asking but no one, yourself included can give me a legitimate reason as to why he's a knuckle, as you put it, or a knucklehead.
He seemed to respond very well to George Karl’s coaching, most of his so-called knucklehead behavior was before he was traded to Denver and I can’t recall any issues on his behalf for the past few years, apparently neither can you.
bad shots, up and down attitude, lackluster effort
Unwillingness to be part of an offense. Unprofessional demeanor.
Look, I’m not a TMZ off court drama finder, but I know he has the Randy Moss type stigma of playing hard when he wants and how he wants. He has it for a reason.
You can pretend to not acknowledge this if you want, no skin off my back.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Has anyone considered
that it is Adelman and his staff that have told the FO, “DO NOT WANT” on Smith?
It is highly likely Adelman has talked to George Karl at some stage about his players. Those guys have been around. He and his staff probably know a LOT more about JRs skeletons than we do as fans. It may not simply be penny pinching.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
Another scenario
is that Glen Taylor might not like Smith. Not sure how many of our young Wolves go to church on Sunday, but when CHers met with Kahn a couple of years ago I distinctly remember that Kahn was not interested in certain kinds of players, and that he seemed to be speaking for team owners when he said that.
But to be honest, I’m not sure I’d want J.R. Smith on our team. He’s burned us in the past, but I’m not sure he’s the “burn” threat he used to be. The Wolves have been playing like headcases lately. Why bring a genuine headcase into the locker room?
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I heard adelman said no
Because JR always takes the jelly donuts with raspberry filling before anyone else even gets to the table, and those are the only ones he likes
by zero_on_up on Feb 14, 2012 6:32 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
JR Smith would probably score 25 with his eyes closed
playing next to Rubio.
this is the kinda player the Wolves need. These kinda players always flourish with pass first PG’s, he’s in reality one of the best options out there for us. not sure why it won’t happen
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 14, 2012 6:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
25 point with or without eyes open
Might happen once out of JR. Let’s not forget who we are talking about.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 7:00 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thought we were talking about JR Smith
who scored 25+ three times in the last 25 games of the prior season. With Rubio being a more aggressive passer than the Nuggets had, 25 points three or four times doesn’t seem out of the question. I don’t think Smith will choose MN when the Clippers seem interested, but I’d definitely take him for the remainder of this season. Clippers probably have 80% chance of locking him up and he’ll be a regular rotation player for them in the playoffs.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
catching ally oops with his eyes closed
would be exhilarating and terrifying at the same time
by midlife crisis on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I give up
If this is true. Not even a consideration? Jeebus this team is a mess…
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Feb 14, 2012 7:00 PM CST reply actions
No, its not.
Cousins was using a valuable asset and committing a lot of money over a number of years.
JR is taking a relatively cheap half year flyer.
by Simitar on Feb 14, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean people valueing a player because of his so-called "production"
and ignoring the fact that there are major character flaws and issues
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JR has been a solid teammate on the court.
That’s enough for me. I like rooting for truly ‘good guys’, but I don’t need my entertainment to be full of them.
I watch movies with actors that are bigger jerks than JR has ever been…
by Simitar on Feb 14, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we disagree on this point then.
I’d rather lose with a team I feel good about rooting for then win with a team full of knuckleheads.
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It doesn't. I'm just saying as an overall philosophy, but it applies
to individual pieces, too
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Don't you root for Beasley?
What evidence is there that J.R. Smith is more of a “knucklehead” than him?
Once a player is actually on the team, I'll root for them regardless
Trust me. I said the same stuff about Beasley before he got here. If Smith actually did sign here, I’d find a way to root for him. But I wouldn’t feel good about it.
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Plus,
Even if JR is a knucklehead and somebody you wouldn’t want to root for, wouldn’t you derive greater enjoyment from having him on the team and seeing Love/Rubio/Pek enjoy greater team success in Wolves uniforms?
I disagree that JR has been a solid teammate on the court
That article from Slam the other day that was posted in the Fanshots said that JR was the most selfish player in the NBA, he tries to shoot every time he touches the ball. Not exactly a great teammate
JonnyRotten Flynn, that is
He's a full 29 points higher than Wes in ORtg.
For a team that desperately needs scoring at the wing, I don’t see how you don’t take a chance on him for four months. If it doesn’t work, what’s the harm?
by Darth Paxton on Feb 14, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
"If it doesn’t work, what’s the harm?"
Exactly.
It doesn;t in any way impact us from going after someone else after the year. Its a half season try-out.
Couldn't agree more.
We’re not going to make the playoffs with the current team we’re putting on the court. Why not take a risk on a player with a solid history?
by Darth Paxton on Feb 14, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
OMG wow.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I know...it's definitely skewed to team defense
but jeebus.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
his character flaws clearly don't
Hurt him much on the court, other wise he never would have found playing time in the nuggets deep lineup.
by twolvehoopster on Feb 14, 2012 7:40 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
For as much ad I didnt want cousins at the time
I’d take his character flaws over wes’ basketball flaws anyway of the week (however Monroe or George was the right choice)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You'd take George over Cousins?
You say this because of team need right?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I can see the argument for Monroe, but George is just crazy.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Not crazy.
George is about the same age as Cousins, outperforming Cousins, and is not a headcase. Team need is a big bonus, too. I guess you could argue that a fully panned out Cousins is a rarer commodity than a fully panned out George, but that involves some guessing about their respective ceilings (and the odds of getting to them). Either one would have been worlds better for us than Wes, though.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think you need to go too far into the future.
Already Cousins is a rarer commodity than George.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
But not a better player.
I’m using hindsight here, by the way. I would not have advocated taking George 4th at the time, though I would have advocated trading down from 4 to get him instead of taking Wes at 4. But if you’re letting me just pluck a guy out now and add him to the Wolves, I’ll take George over Cousins.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even know about Cousins being rarer
Paul George has some beast-mode too him that we have not yet seen due to him playing out of position in Indy. Once they move Granger I think he’ll get his explosion on
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Agreed that he can be better at SF,
but watching Cousins’ improvement this year has my jaw permanently dropped.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Paul George is awesome
He would have been my 2nd pick in that draft. He’s gonna be a killer in this league for 12 years
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not drafting Cousins cause you're concerned about his ability to be a good teammate is fine (though I disagreed with it)
Keeping the pick and drafting someone like Wes Johnson who had a very low likelihood to become a good NBA player is indefensible.
If you don’t like Cousins then trade the freakin’ pick! Because other teams did value him and understandably so.
I’m fine with not bringing JR aboard if he is a clubhouse cancer IF they spend the money on someone else.
Now, now...
…we just need to be patient and wait to see what we have with this team when it is at full strength.
(Did I do that right?)
Spoken like a true GM
Perfect, right from the horse’s mouth.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Feb 14, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
There's a big middle ground between waiting and going after J.R. Smith
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It's not like we have to give him a three year deal.
It’s half a season, the money will be available in the offseason.
by Darth Paxton on Feb 14, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
I don’t think anyone is saying the we have all the players we already on our team, but I just don’t see how a half year of JR does anything to help us in the future. Best case is a few extra wins this season
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:26 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
My contention is that we don't have a draft pick this year
and you can only ride the hype of Rubio so long without actually winning so why not make a push for the playoffs? As a fan, I always want a winning team but management/ownership (I have no idea) seems to be saying, hey we got Rubio, those tickets will sell themselves, ergo we don’t actually need a complete team. They’re making the minimum amount of moves needed to make a profit and that’s disappointing as a fan. Clearly it’s not my money and they may not want to spend any more this year, especially when all 15 roster spots are already taken but quite simply I’m disappointed that our offseason pickups were Barea and Williams who play the positions of our best 2 players.
/ramble
Short Version: I want to be that 8th seed in the playoffs who gets bounced with no real chance of winning. I am massively sick of losing.
addendum
If he is as big of a headcase as he is rumored to be I probably don’t want Smith long term, but for a half year rental, please do it.
That might be the issue.
Maybe he wants a bit more than just a half year contract and the Wolves won’t do it?
Who knows? NBA journalism is about as accurate as the tabloids in the supermarket checkout line.
true
but when the journalism we do get is “show of hands”, “incredible story-lines”, we might get a center (not wings), giving KLove 3 years when he wanted 5, We’re going to take Wes Johnson, etc. it’s just hard to assume the bad storylines (and in this case that does depend on your view of Smith) are untrue.
Kahn has a history, and I’ll just say a history, of making the wrong move.
by zebano on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you mean
“middle ground, no such thing, there is.”
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by davechisholm on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about dithering?
Because I think our front office could do a great job of dithering for a couple weeks. Just really work that do/not do line down to the bone…and then right at the end choose to not do anything.
Still be a hell of a fine 2-3 weeks of wall-to-wall dithering.
This has been the MO for the team for the longest time
It’s always about “the future” and “future flexibility”. We’ve been told about expiring contracts (Theo Ratliff!), cap space, the tail end of the Big Al deal, Windows of Opportunity, and so on and so forth. The FO and Papa Glen tell everybody that they’ll spend the money when there is a chance to push the team “over the top” or “to the next level”, but the reason why this never happens is because they continue to cling to a plan that is little more than “and then magic happens”.
Just wait, the improvement is just right around that corner. No, the other one.
I believe there can only be four corners, so it's probably the next one
we are still inside the failure box, right?
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
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by littleboxes on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
As long as it's not a circle of failure
I’d hate to have to use pi to calculate when we’re going to make the playoffs.
Remember
Signing your 23 year old superstar to a 3 year contract with an ETO the same year the Lakers have max money to throw around = sound finance.
even if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
sorry, I couldn’t help myself
Think I'd've gone
“Does anyone not think this will be a better team once they’ve had a few weeks at full strength?”
Silence.
“Show of hands?”
Baffled silence.
Hey now, 23-year old players who enter the NBA often take some time to adjust.
They’re so used to excelling by being the oldest player on the court in college.
Give Wes 10-15 years and he’ll be playing just like he did in college.
by Django Z on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i laughed
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
The ONLY way this makes sense to me is if:
We reached out to JR, he laughed at the idea of coming here, so we’re saying “we have no interest”.
I thought I read
that the Knicks can offer him the mini exception (whatever that is). I’m thinking he goes to the Knicks allowing us to trade Luke R for L Fields.
I made this up of course but I think that’s how NBA rumors start so maybe it will be on Hoopshype tomorrow morning. I wonder if I’ll check? I bet I will.
Luke
I shake my head when I see people suggesting that defensive teams like Philly and Memphis would want Luke. I think D’Antoni might get a lot of mileage out of Luke’s skills, though I doubt the Knicks will have much interest once Amare and Melo return (especially with a JR on board.)
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by pastyearsears on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
They also have Lin, Bibby and Baron Davis.
No chance.
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hm
So far there is only some rumors, not sure why everybody treats those rumors as hard cold facts.
by Scott Richard Miller on Feb 14, 2012 7:42 PM CST reply actions
because It's fun
;-)
I too am a lone wolfpack.
by OR-7 on Feb 14, 2012 8:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
All those tattoos
and the only one he actually needed was a skull stomp death knight
Ha!
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 15, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Don't we actually only have the mini-MLE ?
Just like the knocks and Clippers ?
by Peanut Butter Wolf on Feb 14, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions
I think it would be fairly easy ...
for the Wolves to free up a roster spot and enough $ to outbid other teams.
E.g., the Lakers and Magic both need PG help, and both teams also have sizable TPEs … Wolves could trade Luke or JJ (after 3/1) for the TPE + 2012 1st.
"Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
-- W. Munney (1992) / Snoop (2008)
by ol' weird harold on Feb 14, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Um, Knicks, not Knocks. Although Knocks seems right.
by Peanut Butter Wolf on Feb 14, 2012 8:05 PM CST reply actions
Knocks and the Cloppers or the Knipps and the Clickers
These have all been apt in the not too distant past.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 14, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I've decided to give kahn
the benefit of the doubt now after thinking about this. perhaps he can’t speak of JR till fiba grants the clearance??? please indulge me on this. it’s all I have left this season.
;-)
I too am a lone wolfpack.
by OR-7 on Feb 14, 2012 8:42 PM CST via Android app reply actions
You gotta be fucking kidding me!!!!!! SIGN HIM. I wanted him before the damn lockout. If he was such a goddamn "knucklehead" six teams wouldn't be after him right now.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
Sure they would
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by TimAllen on Feb 14, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You must really dislike him for us not to make a huge upgrade (from what we have at the 2)..
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
He killed in a guy in a car accident
The charge was dropped to reckless driving – for which he was sentenced to 90 days in jail – but probably should have been vehicular manslaughter. This was after having his license suspended five times in eight months.
He’s promoted gang behavior on Twitter and he was issued a summons after an assault incident in a night club, for which he was suspended three games by the Denver Nuggets.
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Vehicular manslaughter/homicide/called by different names is generally—although not exclusively— reserved for cases where there’s evidence of impaired driving. I am not an expert in NJ criminal law [where it happened] but the grand jury declined to indict him on that charge. (FYI- if a prosecutor can’t get an indictment, it’s a weeeaaaaak case). My understanding of the facts of Smith’s case was that there was no evidence of imparied driving, but certainly very reckless driving (speeding, weaving, etc.), and he did have a very poor driving record.
(Obviously I am not saying this makes him a model citizen)
Why does it matter if the driver is impaired?
If they’re being reckless and they kill someone they should be prosecuted for homicide. We have a legal system designed to protect Happy Motoring in this country.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
Are you looking to have a policy debate?
I am explaining what the law is, not advocating for what it should be.
The short answer has to do with mens rea/intent, and that driving impaired evinces a greater degree of negligence than reckless driving (speeding, etc.)
Not with you, but yes
I find being reckless and causing death with a motor vehicle equally negligent regardless of one’s blood alcohol/drug content.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
by Facial on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about using a cell phone?
Driving when tired?
Driving after an arbitrary age, say 70?
I’m not defending J.R., the law, sports cars or anything else, I’m just saying these issues get complicated .
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 15, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
If these kinds of things were cut-and-dried, we wouldn’t need a criminal justice system. Just identify the wrongdoer and the wrongdoing and then mete out the obvious punishment.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 15, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
When someone else is the accused it's INCREDIBLY freaking obvious what the punishment should be.
When I’m the accused then we need to consider context, circumstances, intent and whether that small bag of skittles was actually just left in my car by a friend who borrowed my car.
I'll concede your expertise PDGirl
but are you saying that rich defendants get the same treatment from prosecutors?
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
by TMiss on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying that what he did was right in anyway but without looking that up I'm pretty sure the car accident was a good four or five years ago.
It’s very unfortunate that someone died but I imagine that he was charged with reckless driving because they had a bit of a weak case against him, that wouldn’t make me want him on the team. As far as the Twitter incident I found this quote
On August 5, 2009 Smith closed his twitter account (jr_smith1) because he was accused of writing in a way that reflected the Bloods gang, specifically replacing his c’s with k’s, that seems rather small and silly to me but to each is own(not directing that at you but if that seems to be the gist of the incident it seems rather asinine).
I think it's a stretch to call it an "accident"
It sounds like JR was speeding, weaving erratically, and otherwise being irresponsible while in control of a deadly vehicle and he crashed into and killed someone. Ooops. It was just an accident.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
I'm not making any excuses for the guy at all but we really don't know what happened.
What I do know is that he was charged with reckless driving and they didn’t indict him on charges of vehicular manslaughter(I would imagine that if they had the evidence to pursue a vehicular manslaughter charge they would have), he got into an accident with another car, he and one of the passengers in the car he was driving were ejected from the car, mainly because neither was wearing a seat belt, and the passenger died that’s all we really know. What it sounds like and what actually happened are two diferent things, I’m not defending the accident at all but I’m pretty sure that he didn’t intend on hitting or getting hit by another vehicle.
Right, but
Using the word “accident” relieves all responsibility for his actions. Regardless of his intention or lack thereof to crash into another vehicle, his actions resulted in the crash and he should be held accountable for his actions. The lack of evidence and how current laws on the books are written to be lenient on motorists is one issue and the language we use to describe car crashes is another.
To be clear, I’m not blaming you for this, just pointing it out.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
I just explained above what happen
The prosecution pursued an indictment and did not get it. (Anyone who knows about criminal law will tell you the old adage—grand jurors will indict a ham sandwich, etc….ie- their case on that charge was really weak….[likely for the reasons I explained above]).
"Indict a ham sandwich"
I sat on one of those grand juries nearly 30 years ago. I think this characterization is true. The details were more horrific than the J.R. case. The county attorney chose not to prosecute and I understand that. But I still think about the case and I think the ham sandwich should have been tried and convicted. I guess I viewed my brief role in achieving justice as responding to the tragic death of a beautiful young woman. I understand Facial’s disgust. Social norms, the legal system, and individual responsibility all fall short in these calamities, convicted or not.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 15, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
He killed his friend, who was a passenger in the car
when both of them (who weren’t wearing seatbelts) were thrown from the vehicle.
(Maybe do a cursory google search).
You probably should have lead off with this information.
I didn’t know any of that, and it makes it much more understandable why you wouldn’t want him on the team.
JR's twitter bio right now:
“NYK? LAL? LAC? CHI? ORL? iNDI?”
doesn’t sound like he’s interested in the Wolves, unless he just didn’t know how to abbreviate Minnesota
JonnyRotten Flynn, that is
The front office should have some interest
If you’re never constantly looking to improve your team, you’re not doing your job as GM. The Wolves have an absolutely glaring albatross of a position at SG. Is JR Smith better then any current potential SG we have? Yes. Does he have some issues. Yes. Are they potentially cancerous? I don’t think so. Smith is essentially using this year to audition for next. Tim Allen, don’t you think he’ll at least be on semi-decent behavior with millions on the line? Adelman won’t let him get to out of hand. Smith was never that bad when he was with the Nuggets to the point where he’s a complete cancer. On a scale of Steve Nash to Terrell Owens in terms of causing a ruckus, Smith is at about a Chad Johnson.
Smith would do VERY well on this team. Unless his shot is just gone, he’ll be on the receiving end of many Rubio passes for open 3s. He’s one of those streaky shooters who will put up a game where he’s like 8-12 from deep in one game. The amount of looks he’d have would be substantial. He may not be as good on D as Wes, but the improvement in offense would likely be greater then the decline in defense.
Overall if its for a 1/2 year, and it makes the team better, why don’t you do it? This team needs that little extra if its going to properly contend for the final playoff spot. This team needs a wing and its reps. Making the playoffs in my opinion would teach the team more about winning and losing in the NBA and get the training wheels stage out of the way faster with big game reps. With Love’s contract, the team needs to start acting fast. Rubio’s on a very team friendly contract, and Love is playing at an elite level. In a weird lockout like season, anything could happen in the playoffs. To not try is simply discouraging.
I like your nurses uniform guy. ...They're OR scrubs. Oh are they?
by dubsy on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
It's not going to happen, but one final post on J.R
Smith makes up for the lack of defense with his offensive wizardry. Even while using about a third of his talent, Smith is one of the league’s most productive sixth men because he’s so athletic and has such deep shooting range. Smith shot 39 percent on 3s and 47.7 percent on long 2s, and he can get his shot off on virtually anyone. Last season he averaged a point every two minutes with an above-average TS%, even though his shot selection was terrible. And despite his poor decisions and occasional wayward dribbles, he’s a capable pick-and-roll creator who ranked in the top third of shooting guards in pure point rating.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions
the wolves need a two-guard that can score.
you wouldn’t want to rent him for the rest of the year? how could he be any worse than Ellington or Wes? If they don’t mind spending the money, why not?
No Way!
I want the calm, level-headed. long, athletic kid with the nice smile….
…who can’t play professional basketball. WJ is the man!
by Down in the Valley on Feb 15, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
This is too stupid to be true.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 PM CST reply actions
is disturbing
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Sign him.
Zgoda has been saying all along that the Wolves weren’t interested, but then there was a report yesterday saying they were but Smith wasn’t. And now this report, saying Smith is, but the Wolves don’t want him. I’ve got to believe that if everything is equal, he goes to the Clippers. But the Wolves can offer more money than anyone else…..this is a no-brainer to me. Sign him.
If anyone said no to Smith it's probably Taylor
Think about it like Taylor probably is. To add Smith, he not only has to open the checkbook to sign him, he also has to buy out someone currently on the roster to make room for Smith. The team is already selling out some games with the current product they’re trotting out on the court. Taylor might actually make money on this team this year. Sure if you sign Smith, you might make the playoffs and that’s good for business too, but there’s financial risk with this move as well.
I don’t necessarily agree with this thinking, but I’d bet that this is an accurate description of how Taylor’s approaching it.
This is probably right.
I doubt we do anything that adds salary and buys out a player. Trades are possible.
I don't agree with this theory I just pulled out of thin air
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 9:16 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
With how the team has been run for the past few years this is probably why we see Kahn saying he's not looking at any deals at all
Kahn and Taylor seem to be moving the goalposts every year, and its getting on my nerves
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Taylor's not in the playoffs yet
And making the playoffs is a big deal as far as revenue generators.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
We're all so Minnesotan
Wanting well-raised, respected generally no-name gentlemen on our sports teams (see Twins of 80’s, 00’s). We ignore that we’re small market and tell ourselves that we miss out on a big free-agent because of attitude problems, injury risk, or high-risk situation; not the fact there are 6 months of winter, bad sports venues (sans TF), and we never have superstars.
Give me a break, we all know no one wants to play in MN unless they’re getting tons of money (AP) and/or are from here (Mauer). And lord knows MN teams rarely want to spend money to get a big free agent.
I totally agree with developing your own players, building from ground up on all-around good guys, and challenging large-market teams. The thing is, you have to have such a good streak of good decisions and perhaps lucky guesses to make a run (see Santana, Hunter, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer era for Twins).
Now you look at LAC, and they don’t give two F’s if JR is a knucklehead. They know he can ball and they have money. They’ll probably make an offer and sign him. He’ll make their team deeper and better. LAC is obviously playoff bound and JR could help push them deeper.
But at some point you have to say, “Yes it’d be great to have a complete team of outstanding men with great character and great ability and potential. But that’s not possible without great luck and a better GM. So let’s take what we can get, build a team in this small-market as best as possible, and attract FA’s while we have some sort of groundwork.”
JR is no elite FA and I’m not even saying let’s get him. This is more or less a rant of generalizing MN sports, which I’ve been a fan of since I’ve been competent enough to turn on a radio, open a newspaper, or watch TV (aka ~1994). All in all, I notice us getting sick of owner’s/GM’s personell decisions and inability to sign FA’s or trade for great players time and time again and blaming FO, etc and ignoring we’re small-market. Yet someday, somehow, there will be a native MN GM who has experienced all this and will do something smart and exciting (aka sign KL to max).
/rant
by Jordan Seiffert on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
i think that has to do with how most MN sports fans are fine with mediocrity
See: the twins, and how they never made the final move to push those teams over the top
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 15, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Wolves/Wild/Gopher Hockey/Gopher BBall
12 straight losses since the Wolves victory over the Kings LAST TUESDAY.
Hmph.
The Kings of .500 And Under
Twins suck
What an awful managerial approach to baseball. You have a team full of Gardy guys and you end up .500.
That’s why I love Kevin Love, he is the anti-Minnesotan athlete. He plays with fire and is kinda a bitch…..then we got Rubio who is the cool customer….what a sweet freaking duo that is.
Drop an atomic bomb like JR and we could really lay into the NBA
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
(We agree!)
I don’t get how people can continue to buy what the Twins are selling after the stadium.
The stadium itself
is the only thing I’m buying about that team. Sick of Gardy’s Guys, too.
The Kings of .500 And Under
Dude, full moon tonight?
It’s not unprecedented but it’s nice when it happens
Probably because I am much less of a twins rube I can be a lot more pragmatic about the situation
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not even from Minnesota originally and I don't want him for behavioral reasons
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These things do matter
even to non-Minnesotans. When I lived in LA I was a huge Lakers fan. It was showtime, how could anyone help it? Magic and Worthy? Yes, please. In the years following Magic’s retirement, that team systematically went about collecting seemingly every player across the league I disliked, and drafted other players that I learned to loathe. Luckily I moved away in time, but my old favorite team is now the team I hate most. What changed was the personnel. Not the city, not the FO, and not me (well, me a little). This is what happened due to Benoit Benjamin, Nick Van Exel, Shaq, Sean Rooks, Kobe, Rick Fox, Rodman…
They found their way back to Championship basketball, but without my fandom. Granted, if I grew up a Laker fan my loyalty may have endured. Maybe. But not living in MN now, I could foresee a roster turnaround that would drive me away from the Wolves and back to the local Warriors. It would probably require a loss of Rubio, Love and Pek, but add in enough JRs and continue my frustration with the FO and I’d be gone. So, I do get TimAllen’s point, and I’ve never been called Minnesota-Nice.
Only guy on the Lakers I liked in that general era (post-Showtime)
was Eddie Jones. Do-it-all player, smart, excellent defender.
I like JR Smith cause we don't have to trade anything to get him
but I’d be interested in trying to get Mayo or Turner a little more….I think both players are primed to start really producing at their next stop…especially if they get with a guy like Rubio
A lot of people say Turner wouldn’t be a good fit here because he likes to have the ball in his hands….but he has that “makes shit happen” effect that I love in players. He/Rubio/Love would be a very solid core to build around for the future
I don’t know what it would take to get him, but any time you are dealing for a bench player there is always a chance he’s available.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tu7sdb
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
actually we need to dump someone to sign him
we have 15 players on our roster
Good bye Darko
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
The problem is
that Darko stays on the cap, and adding Smith’s salary puts us over the cap. So then they’re not only playing Smith and Darko, they’re also paying the tax penalty and forgoing the tax payout to teams below the cap. He’d be an expensive guy to add.
On merit, I’d add him, but I don’t expect them to make any in-season changes unless there’s a trade involved that would keep them at least salary neutral.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
We need to do some kind of 3 for 1
I’d say we can with everyone healthy now. Does someone covet Brad Miller’s contract still?
The Kings of .500 And Under
I get the impression
that enough teams are in good cap position that expiring contracts don’t have the value that they had a year or two ago.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
We are no where near tax levels. Cap and tax levels are not the same.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Ah, thanks.
I’m not always so good with the money stuff.
by Madison Dan on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Your point about it being expensive was true though.
$2.5 million or there about isn’t much for a starter at a position of need, but $2.5 million is a lot for 30 ish games if the team is trying to turn a profit and misses the playoffs.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Already prorated.
Unlike some other teams we could offer the full mid-level which prorates to approx $2.5 million for this season.
My uneducated internet speculation sources suggest he’d just sign with the Clippers if we don’t offer him more money. The idea that the Wolves have a chance in based on the idea that we can offer more for this one season before he goes on the FA market when teams actually have cap-space.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
That's about right and we are approx 30 games into a 66 game season.
The $2.5 million was based signing him with approx half a season. It’s just a rough estimate.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
$5 Million is real money
Perhaps we should consider what this type of deal does for the Wolves overall budget? I know that we live in a fantasy world where any team is supposed to spend any amount of money to make us happy, but the reality is $5 Million is a significant amount of their player budget and is real money. The Wolves just like any business operate on a budget and look to use their money wisely. Perhaps the decision is based on saving those dollars for a player and/or transaction that is a better long-term fit than a headcase shooter who clearly is not the long-term solution.
The issues with this is:
I think the general consensus, on CH, and likely in real life is that JR Smith is signing for the remainder of this year and thats it. Obviously he’s not a long term solution and nobody is expecting as such. If they want to keep their options open for the trade deadline, that’s understandable although no guarantee. Plus you must give something to get something.
The increase in revenue from Rubio’s arrival, factored in with the increase in revenue from a playoff push and actual playoff games, well that has to be enough to fit JR Smith in the budget.
Taylor has to realize, the Twins and Vikes could be down for the next couple years (sadly). There’s a golden opportunity to become, and remain, the darlings of the MN sports scene for the forseeable future. Failure to capitalize on this will likely result in Love entering the Howard-Williams limbo stage as well, further depressing long time fans.
I like your nurses uniform guy. ...They're OR scrubs. Oh are they?
JR is interested?
Get him back!

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
by Facial on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
According to PER
Wes Johnson is the 327th best player in the league.
so, you mean, he isn't the worst?
I feel better now. Wolves don’t need JR Smith.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Would the Bobcats have 3 wins
with Wes Johnson in their starting lineup? PONDER IT.
The Kings of .500 And Under
I mean would they have 3 or less?
I think it’s possible they would be 0-28. And I know one of those wins was by a point.
I don’t know how a team can lose so much.
The Kings of .500 And Under
you must have wisely stopped watching last year when Love went down
That was a team of destiny.
I did actually haha.
3-25 is just an ugly record. You’d think you’d at least stumble into 6.
The Kings of .500 And Under
Considering what Maggette and Reggie Williams
are giving the Bobcats, they might have more than 3 wins with Wes.
I am not suggesting that Wes is playing well, but Wes is playing less than 22 minutes a game and is shooting better from the floor than Maggette and Reggie Williams. If he’s going to play 22 minutes, it doesn’t matter all that much that he is a starter. His glowing smile rarely leaves the bench in the 4th quarter. I’d like to see him get a month in the D-league where I believe they have more time for practice(this season) and he can get more minutes during games without hurting the Wolves chances of winning. Still holding out hope he can develop, but he has a lot to work on right now.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
it surprises me how willing fans are to trade D-Will.
Why would you trade such a young, talented player who was a second pick overall? Some argued that he could have been the number one overall. Sure, his talents are raw, but you don’t just dump a #2 overall pick with the athleticism that D-Will has for someone to fill a gap on a borderline playoff team. Let’s remember, this team is still at least a year or two away from seriously contending. By then, Beasley will be out and then we’ll be grateful to have a player as talented as D-Will on our team.
by Deebs on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Because they can't give him minutes
He’s not a 3. He plays behind one of the best 4s in the game. This was comically obvious in real time at the draft.
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 15, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Two years ago...
people were arguing that you draft BPA and not to fill a need. That’s what we did. D-Will is raw, how do you know he won’t develop as a 3 and then we’ll have flexibility with him at 3/4.
Williams was not the BPA as a small forward
He’s gigantic and his strengths come from being able to play at the 4 and use his shooting and athleticism at that spot against other 4s.
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree with your points...
but I still disagree that we should trade D-Will already…. UNLESS it’s for a high draft pick in this year’s draft. Not for a 24/25 year old slightly above average player.
This.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like the FO agrees.
why not?
Because they haven’t made a trade yet? Half the league can’t be traded till march 1st (?).
Too much front office mind reading going on here.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope I'm wrong.
But I want a sense of urgency now, not waiting for the deadline, then for the draft, then for free agency, and never actually making a trade.
Send Williams to washington and then send McGee to Philly for evan turner sign batum in the offseason BOOM
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i think a key to the Wolves thinking on him is...
how does he fit in after AR-15 and Beasley walk next year.
I’m convinced he has high trade value, in the right system he’s a beast.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
If he has a high trade value
then that is easily the highest value he has to the Wolves
by dropstep on Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
In my view BPA is the way to go
But when it is clear he will forever be behind a core roster member, drafting BPA is immediately followed by a roster balancing transaction. Otherwise the BPA loses most of their value due to lack of minutes, which completely defeats the purpose.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I would still argue that...
he’s young enough to develop his talents as 3. Who cares what the hell position he plays when Rubio is just throwing him ’oops anyways. Just kidding, but I know that if we trade D-Will, we will see him explode on another team and that will be hard to watch. So, if we trade him, we damn well better get fair value at a position of need.
In fairness you did say they made the right choice at the draft
I still think he can play 3 but if Adleman will not play him there or anywhere the you absolutely have to trade him
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This team isn't contending.
You don’t contend spending most of your cap on middling players and blowing through top 10 draft picks with no return. You don’t contend in a small market in the NBA with poor management. You also don’t contend without luck.
Playoffs maybe in order, but that took Rubio panning out, Pekovic panning out, Love staying healthy and a new coach and we still aren’t even there yet. Adding Kevin Martin or Eric Gordan doesn’t make us contenders, but it makes us a playoff team. Adding Lebron or Wade would do it, but that’s not happening. Derrick Williams panning out doesn’t make us a contender either.
I’m thrilled to be watching enjoyable basketball most nights, but we aren’t anywhere near as good as Miami, Chicago or Oklahoma City in a best of 7.
So who can we hope to be….think Atlanta or Portland. After blowing picks on Flynn, Johnson, and Williams (based on roster balance and position not talent for Williams at this point until traded or getting 30 plus productive mins) you don’t talk about winning championships.
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by Airete on Feb 15, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Here's the crappy (and likely) thing
Nothing this team can do will (likely) make it a contender. Maybe Love can put up .300 WP48 and above production for the next 3 years next to .200 production from Rubio and Pek and that gets the clown posse of Johnson etc to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Their goal is to win as many games as possible all the time and to be exciting and worthwhile. They’re doing about as good as one could expect with no wing players, two massively blown lotto picks, and only 3 above average players (2 of them drafted by the prior regime).
Getting someone like Smith or, better yet, Batum…that’s it. Short of getting cartoonishly lucky in the draft that’s as good as it is (likely) going to get.
Derrick Williams “panning out” at a position that allows him for 35 mpg alongside Love is probably the same type of production as, say, Batum….or by replacing the current 2 guard minutes with an honest to Pete 2 guard like Smith. The Wolves have Love and Rubio and (hopefully!) Pek. That’s their luck. They could have been luckier to draft in a draft with a better player at #2 but they didn’t.
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like D-Will as a power forward prospect
but if he can net a quality wing player (Redick?) and the Wolves are left extending Anthony Randolph as Love’s backup for something similar (or less?) for the next four years, isn’t that a net gain for the team, during a period when they should hope to become a contender?
Williams is as much of a small forward as Kevin Love is. Maybe even less, since Love has range out to 24 feet. Unless Love is going to become an undersized center (with Darko getting minutes and Pek coming on, this seems less likely) the minutes just aren’t there for Williams to fourish. Not unless Love gets hurt, which isn’t really a contingency that fundamental roster decisions should be built around.
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Reddick would be a soberingly adequate trade
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think I would go for that right now
but man I wish he was 24-25 instead of 28. Did you watch him run off all those screens Orlando set? Why why why can we not ever have enough motion in our offense to do that? Do you know how well Ricky hits open guys? run off screen, catch pass from Ricky, shoot… simple basketball and gives us something to try when the basic PnR isn’t working.
My prefence would be
To get mayo or turner and then try and sign or use Williams to get batum but JJ is good it just sucks that having the 2nd pick in Any draft ultimately nets you JJ Reddick
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 3:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I view J.R. Smith as a high risk/reward guy
He could be the missing, productive wing that pushes the team into the playoffs.
Or he could be the divisive force that shatters the optimistic, sharing-the-ball mentality that has propelled the team forward this year.
I think the situations that normally call for a high risk/reward guy are:
- You have no other avenues for improvement. Example: End of KG era under McHale.
- You don’t really need the guy’s contributions. You can make the playoffs w/o them and are just hoping to add more talent if possible. Example: Lakers adding Ron Artest.
- Your entire team stinks and you roll the dice on lots of guys hoping some pan out. Example: The Wolves under Kahn.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
JR on the nuggets
I don’t even remember him being a big chucked on the nuggets. It seemed like he understood his role=reap the benefits of Melo double teams
I feel like this chucker tag is a little unjust, he was also part of the nuggets post Melo success too. He might be an insane individual…but I question how
Much he is going to disrupt the flow of the offense
Just give Wes, Beasley and barea shots to Jr
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 15, 2012 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll tell you what I would love with JR...
is a guy that will just chuck up the 3 ball without regard for anything (time, score, distance, whatever). Wolves could use someone like that to lead by example for how to play basketball next to Ricky Rubio. Points are being left on the floor by not shooting enough threes off the catch. Often times, the 3’s they do end up shooting are out of shot-clock necessity.
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by Andy G on Feb 15, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
points are being left on the board from shitty shooting
Not because we don’t ignore time/space/magnetic flux.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
And there's shitty shooting because we have shitty shooters.
Honestly, there’s no argument here: If you can sign JR Smith, you sign JR Smith.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 15, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
he is probably 5th or so on my list of gettable SGs but he’s also the only one that doesn’t require a team to want to deal him and he absolutely will get the job done
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
thank you
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Team Goal: Make sure the Hornets have the worst pick possible.
I hope that goal lights a fire under Taylor and Kahn.
If JR Smith allows that goal to happen, then you do it. If it’s someone else, then you do it.
The Kings of .500 And Under
Avoid JR
Interesting to note that the T-Wolves are lukewarm about him, but tried Bonzi effing Wells.
I have a better deal for you. You can have Wes Matthews, Jamaal Crawford, AND Raymond Felton for a song. Glads the wolves have some hope and seem to be building up slowly. My Blazers are headed the other way.
This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"
"War is Hell. Go to War!"
they didn't 'try' Bonzi Wells
They just let him use the preseason as an audition for other teams.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:44 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fair enough
Maybe they did know what they were doing.
This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"
"War is Hell. Go to War!"
Maybe they didn’t know what they were doing.
Fixed it for you. This is my default stance for all things front-office related.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
and it gets repeated often enough
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
How do you feel about the front office?
I don’t expect them to make every decision correctly and knock every draft pick out of the park. But right now I’d say about 80+% of the decisions and draft choices look really bad too me.
Adelman, Ricky, acquiring Sessions, and getting Love to extend are really good. That’s 4 off the top of my head.
Rambis, Flynn, Wes, Wright, Beasley, Randolph, Hollins, Pavlovic, Darko, trading Sessions, trading Lawson, trading down many times when good players were on the board, locking up Love for only 3 years + PO vs. 5, selling windows of opportunity that resulted in nothing, trying to sign David Lee for big $$, “Show of Hands”, “This League Has a Habit” are all really bad IMO. That’s 17 off the top of my head.
Drafting and keeping DWill, trading for Webster, and signing Barea when we already had Ricky + Luke are on the bubble.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
After thinking about this some more
Imagine you have a two choices in front of you
- Wolves sign J.R. for remainder of year, there are some brushfires but Smith largely productive, Wolves make the playoffs
- Wolves make no roster moves, team is all smiles, wins ~ 40% of their games
It is really hard not to opt for #1 isn’t it?
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
right
But your options are very optimistic and then very pessimistic.
Going from a playoff team, .520 in the west right now, to .400 is about 8 extra wins this season. Last year only 30 players had a win share of 8 or better, and that was in a full 82 game season.
To make your ‘story’ correct Smith would have to come in a have a WS/48 of something like .24, which is what LBJ averaged last year.
Need I remind you we are talking about JR Smith.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
JR wouldn’t have to create LBJ production, he’d just have to be JR: hit open threes and get to the hoop. That would be much better than what we’re trotting out at 2 right now. Then the floor spreads more for Rubio, Love, and Pek. Luke can go back to being the backup point he is (and is pretty good at it).
Saying he’d have to have LBJ production is disingenuous.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
The implication is that he would have to have an impact equal to LBJ in order to make an 8 game swing at this juncture in the season.
It has merit. Likely he would remove a good chunk of Wes negative WS and Webster’s near 0 win share with something approaching .100. It wouldn’t make an 8 game swing on paper, but it’d still be huge.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Yeah, he'd be taking away Wes and Webster...
He’d let Ridnour play where he should, he’d help Pek/Love/Rubio’s game by virtue of being himself and not Wes and Webster, etc.
The LBJ thing was a bit much, all I’m saying.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 15, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
no it wasn't
It was true. I was pointing out how silly his ‘playoffs with JR’ or ‘.400 without’ was.
I’m not saying anything about what we should expect in real life. Just shooting down a silly bit of hyperbole.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Assuming JRs numbers from 2011..
simply replacing Wes’ 21 minutes of putridity per game with Smith would make a difference on almost 4 points per game. That is a pretty massive difference. In fact, that is about the same difference that Kobe, Love, and Dirk had above the average player on their respective teams last season.
You don’t need to be LeBron to make a difference, when the guy you are replacing is the worst in the league.
by vjl110 on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said you did
Of course JR would make an impact. Please read carefully.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The share of Wes's negative production on this team...
….is large. I posted this in another post, but here’s a comp of WP48 and your own PA100 over the past 2 years (from an upcoming post about Jonny and Wes):
How much did Wes and Jonny contribute to the non-Love/non-Love/Rubes/Pek part of the equation?
Jonny was -53.37% of the non-Love WP48 production in 2010/11 compared to Johnson’s 12.16% He was 11.9% of the negative PA100 production compared to Johnson’s 11.1%.
In 2011/12, Wes accounts for -32% of the non-Love/Pek/Rubes WP48 production. He also accounts for 23.7% of the team’s negative non-Love/Pek/Rubes PA100 production (i.e. over ⅕ of the action).
He’s an anchor. A big one. (Darko is another.)
Despite having the following line:
PTS/G: 96.0 (10th of 30) ▪ Opp PTS/G: 95.6 (16th of 30)
SRS: 0.85 (17th of 30) ▪ Pace: 94.1 (2nd of 30)
Off Rtg: 102.0 (18th of 30) ▪ Def Rtg: 101.5 (13th of 30)
Expected W-L: 15-14 (18th of 30)
The Wolves still trot out one of the very worst players in the league. Replacing his production with Smith would be amazing.
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 15, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think my new obligitaory first post in all game threads is going to be
How good would their look in Wolves blue? It usually works for their backups too =(
Well, I did say 'imagine'
I was not stating those as the two guaranteed outcomes. I am actually not very excited about the prospect of adding Smith’s attitude and penchant for chucking to this team.
But I am even less excited about the guys kind of giving up mid-season like we’ve seen every season for a long time.
Here is an excerpt from a Strib article today:
The Wolves have had a lot of difficulty hitting jumpers of late. The team has shot below its season average of 42.8 percent shooting in three of the four recent losses. And from three-point range, the problem is even worse, with the team going 22-for-82 (26.8 percent) from beyond the arc the past four games.
As a result, Adelman said, the guards are trying too hard to set up the easy basket rather than make the easy play.
“For the most part, we’re not shooting the ball very well, and that causes a lot of anxiety,” Adelman said.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/139333913.html
Having no competent wings + a pass-first PG tends to lead to this kind of problem. So part of my thought process in providing those two outcomes was:
- If you add a competent and aggressive scorer to the current roster, and everyone stays relatively healthy, the team will likely get on another winning trend and regain their confidence. With the rest of the players settling into their natural roles, the end result may be better than you’d think by strictly looking at Smith’s stats.
- If you do nothing, I can see the team trending downward both in wins and in confidence. If you look at the last two seasons, they ended with horrible losing streaks and effort levels.
Obviously finding an attainable player who lacks JR’s baggage would be a lot better and could achieve a lot of the same goals.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
so, I mean ya
Option #1 does look pretty good, because we are getting LeBron type production over your second option.
by TO12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Based on the sheer volume of comments on this thread
You should probably sign him.
I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..
377 comments
and not one about a certain PG from the New York team…
Praise the Kahn!
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 15, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Linteresting
that the Kahn bashing on this site never dies!
by Wu on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
This is becoming
Linsufferable.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
If he wants a championship ring he might have better luck placing the top bid at an auction.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Looking forward to the Charlotte game preview for many reasons,
including dropping the JR Smith pipe dream down the page. That isn’t a top reason though—the game previews are always enjoyable!
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 15, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
The west is wide open..
and the Wolves are going to sit on their ass and do nothing, as we head into one of the toughest stretches of the year. Beyond angry. It’s not just that WE should be the team actively chasing Smith (way before this “rumor”), It’s that the F.O hasn’t addressed the wing problem in any way since the start of F.A
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
it's really too bad we don't have
2002 Andre Patterson
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
haha.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wilson Chandler is also a FA
Would anyone rather have him?
I think I might. he doesn’t give you quite the long range prowess but he is an adequate offensive and defensive two and would give you some size which seems to be lacking at almost every position
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'd rather have Chandler, yeah.
But isn’t he going back to Denver? Seemed like a done deal last I read.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I heard that too but I'm not positive.
He would look nice in a TWolves Uni as would Mayo, Batum, Reddick, any other halfway decent wing. I would ecstatic if Webster could start producing at his career averages again because we’d only have one supermassive position of sucktitude on our roster.
I have a question...
Is Denver one of the teams interested in Smith? And, if not, shouldn’t that tell you something?
bottom line
If Adelman, Love and Rubio want him, fine. If not…
Bottom line...we'd like to see improved wing play.
This is one avenue. It may not be the best one. Status quo isn’t an attractive one either.
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by Airete on Feb 15, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2012/01/28/20120128_jr_smith_china.nba/index.html
good b-ball player? sure
should be allowed to drive a vehicle? no
do folks deserve second chances? maybe
there might the possibility that this guy’s has down up & just wants to feed his family. a few months in China might have wisened him up a bit. i haven’t lived in the continental US for the last 12 years or so. the experience will make him appreciative of a lot things.
hmm… I think he deserves an interview. I don’t know if I’d want him on the Wolves or the Bulls, but he at least can get an interview.
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"down up" = "grown up"
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 15, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
It's much more like the Wolves to take a flyer
on a cheap player with potential to payoff, but with no certainty of success. What about this man, especially compared to JR Smith?
always liked Kelenna
a crying shame about his past botched knee surgery, if he could make a comeback I’d love to see it. As a Twolf or anywhere else!
I wondered what happened to him.
I had no idea about a botched knee operation. Man, that just blows.
I mentioned him earlier this year too...
…loved his short breakout in GS a couple years back. Seemed like a better player than Morrow too.
I don't know what all the fus about Wes is
He clearly is one of the best SG in the game. So what if he doesn’t score points, play defense or display any confidence out there. Rick sees potential in him so even if he gets worse RIck will still start him because he has confidence in him to keep doing what he’s doing.
by mnsportswopwopwah on Feb 15, 2012 6:00 PM CST reply actions
Brilliant!
Yea, Rick Adelman really seems to be the problem with the 2012 Timberwolves, who have won the same amount of games in half the time as the 2011 Timberwolves.
by Wu on Feb 16, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHNNNNNN!!!!!!
Strikes again.

















