Can't compute
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 PM CST
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An army of monkeys with IBM blue super computers couldn't randomly generate something as crazy as what we just saw. Brewer technical, brain fart of the year candidate, Al Harrington with 31 points on 29 shots, the Wolves finally breaking the sub-40% efg mark, 107 total rebounds between the two horrific shooting squads, Wes Johnson with an All Star lollygag play, a Brad Miller sighting...the list goes on and on.
Can't compute. Must go to sleep.
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Wes Johnson and Martell Webster sucks
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
I don't get it third
But I have to chuckle – he WOULD be an upgrade at the 3
by dontbesomean youngfella on Feb 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Nah.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
She can be a ghost with stats
like Solomon Jones.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
She is busy making her new movie.
“The Body Bag”
---I got a dig bick-------- You that read wrong-------- You read that wrong too---
That's a $20mil contract. Might be too rich for the Wolves.
There’s always KMart, Ariza, or…
Anyway, L.A. is eyeing Beasley. He’d probably be a better fit there. Kobe can school him.
If it was Gasol, Kevin wouldn’t have to guard guys like LaMarcus, but Pau couldn’t handle smaller, quicker guys. He speaks Spanish & he could get alley-oops with those good hands.
Offensively, he’s pretty darn good, and he can play all positions up front.
Anything is an upgrade there. Maybe the Lakers could pay some of that contract to take his
salary off their books. If it isn’t him, there are a few guys out there that would help. All we need do is a guy good enough to spread the floor consistently to open the middle.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
If Beas was traded for Pau and junk.
Pau might be remembered for being involved in two of the most lopsided trades ever.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well....I wasn't postulating a 1-for-1.
Basically, I’m saying the same thing everyone is saying. We need an upgrade and just about anyone is better than the zero production we get. $20 mil is too much. Maybe we can find a $6million dollar man.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
Suck so, so bad
With even average wing play, some dude able to hit WIDE OPEN three after WIDE OPEN three all game, Wolves win easily.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
The player's name is Luke
But he is way undersized at the 2g slot
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Beasley was 2-3 from 3 tonight.
But for some reason, he didn’t shoot at least one where he was open and passed to Martell for the brick instead. WTF?
Beasley not shooting
It tells me he knows he has to play a team game, and he’s trying to do it, but he doesn’t really understand what’s going on. It’s like he’s making it about him. Something like “coach wants me to stop jacking up shots so much” when reality it’s coach wants him to quit stopping the offense. He doesn’t get it.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
This seems a tad harsh.
I agree it would have been better if Beasley had shot that ball because he is the better shooter but he did swing it to a technically better shot. It is good that he is trusting his teammates, just unfortunate that non of them can shoot spot up three’s.
On Luke- it seems that, although he is a decent shooter, he is simply not a catch and shoot guy, which is what should be on the floor with Rubio. Luke appears more comfortable shooting off the bounce. Can any of our stat guys point me towards splits on shooting percentage that will verify what I am seeing with that because this feels to me to be important?
agreed
It was a good play, and it’s not like Beasley is the best outside shooter in the game.
But it did remind me of, “It’s called basketball. James naismith invented it a long time ago.”
In weaning himself from being the black hole he’s turning into Mike Miller, which is not an improvement
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
for all y'all moneyball saber rattlers, DRIBBLE-AND-SHOOT IS EASIER THAN CATCH-AND-SHOOT
doesn’t pass the eye test?
1. experience. go try it. it’s harder. many shooting coaches espouse a “rhythm dribble”. go watch some players warm up… more often than not they take a dribble or 2 before they shoot. catch-and-shoot is more out of necessity (quick release before defender gets there) than preference.
2. need metrics? 99.9% of all basketball players dribble the ball before shooting a free throw.
i don’t claim to be a neuroscience SME, but my guess is that muscle memory is enhanced by the feel and weight of the ball after a dribble… rather than just shooting it cold after a catch-and-shoot situation.
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Muscle memory is enhanced by practice
if you practice catch and shoot you’ll be better at it. If you’re a PG you probably practice shooting off the dribble more. If you practice by yourself it’s hard to practice the catch and shoot. If you bounce the ball before free throws in practice you’ll do it during the game.
Rubio is better at catch and shoot
It is all practice, one is not easier than the other.
I never said you couldn't practice catch-and-shoot
Im sure Ricky would love a rhythm dribble before shooting, but his glacially slow methodical 3 pt shot would be even slower.
He has been practicing catch-and-shoot, but I disagree that he is better at it.
Metrics anyone?
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have metrics to compete with -
your “i saw it so it’s true” arbitrary opinion-based nonfactual judgment system.
(is that the negative equivilant of a ‘saber rattler’?)
I did have metrics
Everyone dribbles before they take a free throw :)
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
It has always seemed like two separate skills sets to me.
Both in observation while watching games and in practice while playing pick up. I’m pretty sure that my outside shooting percentage goes from about 8% of the dribble all the way up to nearly 13% from a pass. This is a huge increase as you can see.
I asked about splits to back this up because I am curious about it. Obviously good shooters are going to be better at both but I’m thinking some might be better at one that the other. The idea that point guards are used to having the ball makes sense to me.
As for free throws. Seems to be yet another skill set. One that is afforded a very specific practice opportunity. Some players incorporate strange rituals into free throws that are not repeated at game speed.
by SlowBreak on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll argue that the 13% would increase with a rhythm dribble
But most game situations don’t allow that much time.
I agree that these are all different skillsets that can be honed.
I just think dribbling before shooting is fundamentally easier than catch and shoot.
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Rec for self-depreciating humor.
I think it’s funny that most little kids shoot jump shots when they start shooting baskets. They need most every muscle in their body to get the ball up over the rim. As they get older they realize they’re more accurate shooting set shots. Then when defenders take away the set shot they have to learn the jumper all over again. Unfortunately when most of us shoot jumpers, our feet barely leave the floor.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
This is me
They’re not really jump shots then, are they?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Shootaway
It’s not too hard to practice catch and shoot by yourself if you have one of these. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3EJhGcwFU8
The video is fascinating. I know that he is not being defended, even by a chair, but he is still shooting a better percentage from 15+ feet out than most players shoot from 2-3 feet.
Diebler was one of my favorites at OSU. He is shooting over 50% from both the field and 3 ib Greece while playing both SG and SF. Too bad he wasn’t available when the Wolves picked. Oh, that’s right, he was picked at 51 by the Blazers.
All while taking passes from a Dalek. Impressive.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
by feral on Feb 22, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That makes me cry it's so sad
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I tried to figure out which column the stats were sorted by, and then realized 'all of them'
The only words I can even think of in reaction to that would make Luke Ridnour very disappointed in me (so that would be mutual, I guess)
I bet
Luke Babbit would’ve pulled up for three.
Anyone else notice after we were aggressive and got into the bonus in the 4th, drew a few more fouls – then the crowd and Denver moaned like prom dates, the refs suddenly swallowed their whistles and we stopped getting calls, even though we continued to be the aggressors? Not saying the refs cost us, just sayin’.
by JGoods on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Backing track on the vid reminds me of
The old High Noon backing behind Tex Ritter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzGtvnjtGtM
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
I still can't believe we basically lost to their second string.
Horrible, horrible. 36% shooting.
We were also missing one of our 3 players (Pek) for most of the game...
that makes a pretty big difference.
Denver's second string has been beast this year
Gallo’s injury has forced Karl’s hand, but he otherwise has gone way out of his way to keep his bench players coming off the bench. That’s why he starts guys like Mozgov and Faried instead of Harrington and Birdman
They had a bunch of 3rd stringers in there too, Lawson got hurt, Andre Miller ejected
We got torched by Al Harrington. This was our best chance to beat Denver when they were missing so many players and move into the 8th seed. I’m still just staring at the computer.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Harrington scored 31 points on 29 shots
he didn’t torch the wolves
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
I only watched a portion of the 2nd quarter
but what I saw was Denver hustling their ass off. They just seemed to play harder than us.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Quietly, George Karl is coaching a sort of Sonics-ball junior there now.
All that depth since the Carmelo trade, and he’s doing it to force turnovers and play at high speed?
What a fun coach.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
There are some deep teams this year without a clear star
Sixers and Denver are the two that come to mind immediately. We lament the loss of Pekovic, but Denver was waaaaaaay short-handed, yet have a guy like Faried come in and make a big-time difference. If we were to lose any pairing of Love/Rubio/Pekovic, we’d have no hope.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Adelman coached Chris Webber
He knows how to handle players like that.
per Zgoda tweet
Martell said he was aware of situation, decided to go for hoop and possible 3-pt play, said he should have shot the 3.
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
For the puppy's sake
I hope it was a Pek-inese.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
The hardest part of watching that...
… was how desperately the heads-up guys were pleading for the chance at an open three. Clearly lots of other things cost us that game, but man alive was that a dumbass way to end it.
You could tell in the replay that Martell wanted to take the 3...
…he stutter-steps, then drives for the dunk. He was flanked on both sides by Nuggets. Al Harrington immediately to his left (list at 6’9", 2" taller) and Afflalo to his right (2" shorter). The chances are good that even if he goes for the shot it will be blocked or tightly contested. I guess, in hindsight, the best way to get it off would be to fake left towards Harrington, then fade slightly toward the right (Afflalo) and pray no one gets a hand on it…. in a split-second decision… I dunno, but I’m not too pissed about it.
Knowing Al Harrington like I think I do, I would've bet on a foul happening if Webster went up with the shot.
And even if there’s no foul, I’d prefer a missed three to a made dunk there…
Let’s not cut Webster any slack for that stupidity. We don’t have to bury him, because he is a stand-up guy and owned the mistake. But we don’t have to cut him any slack either.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
broken record
1. the core 3 need to be healthy
2. we need a wing
3. the bench better straighten out & provide a reliable rotation
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Adelman interview
“We just didn’t make shots.”
Adelman is the best
He said they discussed it (shooting a 3). Was fairly speechless on the whole thing.
This is actually the best analysis
If someone hit a damn shot that end of game situation doesn’t occur. Love, Rubio, Beas, SOMEONE!
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think the most frustrating part
is that the coach has zero control over this, other than playing guys that are hitting their shots, which is…..no one basically. It’s amazing that nearly every single player on the roster is down on their 3 point % compared to last year. We’ve gone from this being a strength to a weakness with literally all the same guys.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
maybe opposing teams are more likely to close out on three-point shooters when the game is close
AND some Wolves players are less able to hit a shot when the shot might determine the outcome of the game rather than decrease the negative point differential
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Yeah, I suspect some of it might be tired legs too
It’s just tough to watch so many wide open 3’s that most of these guys historically are fully capable of knocking down. There has to be some regression to the mean here (or is it progression?).
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
FG% is down this year
thanks lockout
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Take note, Wolves wings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZq_jeYsbTs
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I'm not sure anyone could be
Wes is playing so poorly that he alone would pull even the Thunder’s wing mean down to average
Guys...
… we have to be patient. He’s only had… ugh. Fuck it.
Brick Mamba
Now this… we’re really experiencing a nickname Golden Age. It’s our generation, folks.
Give me Faried with no Brewer and no Birdman
and you’ve got a deal. And I don’t really want Faried.
So you're appeal to me is
to quote his value relative to two players I’d just as soon cut?
That ignores the fact that Brewer is above the average in both those categories
And a marked improvement. So unless your plan is to cut two guys and replace them with nothing….yeah, that’s the appeal
Small sample size?
If my math is correct, his 3pt% just dropped from 40% to 36% in this one game. HIs first 4 seasons in the league have been marked by historically bad offense. If I believe that he is a completely different player, I might as well just hope we hang on to Wes, Beas, Webster, Wayne, with the expectation that at least one will transform into a very good player.
Unless I'm mistaken, ESPN calculates that % dynamically
Tonight’s game appears to have already been added, and he’s at 40%
But even were you to drop him to 36%, he’d still be second in 3pt% behind only one of those guys you want to cut.
Besides, he can’t possibly shoot worse than Wes anyway, and he’ll always rebound and hustle more. At worst the offense stays the same.
it updates overnight, so will be 36% by tomorrow
and yes Bring Brewer back
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
Correct
it updates overnight. Incorrect about bringing Brewer back. We need wings who Ademan can count on for consistent contributions night in and night out. We don’t have that on the team now. Since we can target any player out there, why set your sights on a guy who is likely regression to his own sub-mediocre mean as the season goes on. 46% from 3 in January, 24% in February (5-6 in one game, 1-18 in all others).
Last year Corey is still better than this year Wes
And arguably better than this year Beasley too
Target any player sounds nice in theory, but nothing in Kahn’s history suggest anything close to that actually happening. The player we’re most rumored to be after right now is Pau Gasol….think through what that means
Really hoping this is a bogus rumor
or that it would be part of a 3 way with Gasol going elsewhere and the Wolves getting a good wing.
Otherwise it would seem to mean that Kahn absolutely has no idea what he is doing and is potentially not even watching games or reading box scores.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
It has been observed before
that Kahn has considerable difficulty reading a depth chart.
If he had glasses, we'd call him "Four Eyes."
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Wearing some now.
We bear a grudge against rosters choked with Power Forwards – the “4” position.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Better than 2012 Wes
could be used to describe pretty much every player in the league. And dozens of players I don’t have any desire to see on the Wolves.
This is great nostalgia, arguing about Brewer with Oceanary. I feel 2 years younger. I feel like calling up an ex-girlfriend and arguing about why we broke up.
by dropstep on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's talk Beasley vs. Love.
I mean, they’re both 4s, so one’s gotta go. Can Love become that go-to scorer? Rarest thing in the league, man.
just curious
why can’t Beasley play the 3? He’d get beat by faster guys, but we make allowances for Ricky, we could direct opponents similarly for Beas. And he could post up most opposition 3s.
Feeling's mutual
For the record, in no way am I suggesting Corey would solve our wing problems. Just that, if you gave me the chance to trade Wes or Beasley for him, I’d do it without even blinking
I accept that
to me though, we pretty much know what Brewer’s value is – what we can get in return for him. And it aint much. Beas and Wes are just assets to me, and if someone out there can overpay for them (as in the Laker’s rumored interest in Beasley) then Hallelujah. I’m just not swapping potential assets for a known minimal return.
no chance
How bad would kahn look, bringing back a McHale pick.
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
How awkward would that press conference be?
Kahn: We are really happy to have Corey back. We initially traded him because he played so poorly and we did not want to re-sign him at any price. But since then he has signed a cheap contract, and all my draft picks other than Rubio have sucked a$$ so badly that Corey now represents an afforadable and significant upgrade in our wing positions. We realize the situation is still not ideal and are in negotiations with Sasha Pavlovic.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
How good would Kahn look, for once putting the franchise ahead of his ambition and ego?
as you said, no chance.
by rickyp on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is sad but true
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
A very sad rec for that
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Only two things would improve how Kahn looks
(1.) Continued uptrend (More winning)
(2.) A face transplant
Which means only success, short of that he’s subject to Glen’s mercy and so are we.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I wish Glen had no mercy
this franchise would be so much better
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Now I understand how VoodooMagic must feel about these pet players of his.
I LOVE Faried after watching that game.
I love Faried too
Denver is a team with a soft spot in my heart!
So many of my guys on one team!!! Gallo, Faried, Nene, Afflalo :)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Isn't it about you settle down
and make a commitment? With all of your loves out there you are bound to break a lot of hearts.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
I got 10 spots on a basketball team :)
All VM All-Stars
PG-Rubio
SG-Harden
SF-Paul George
PF-Kevin Love
C-Nene
Bench
Pg-Iman Shumpert (not really a pg, but Rubio is pg enough)
Sg-Evan Turner
Sf-Gallinari
Pf-Derrick Williams
C-Faried (more of a back up post player than a true center)
I would put Pek in the rotation but it would be hypocritical in the sense that I didn’t start loving him till he got good, where as most of these guys I have been big fans of their whole careers
odd thing about this team: if the Woves would have been more on their game in the draft (trading up and down etc and drafting the right players) this entire roster has some level of feasibility too it haha with really the exception of Nene
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know Brad Beal is still in college
But I bet the omission crushed him.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
:)
Love it!!!!!
Beal and Wroten are the early favorites for 2012-13 all VM rookie team
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
really hard not to like Faried
serious energy. Like a bigger Balkman with finishing talent. Rodman-like determination. Very quick jumper, amazingly so in fact. Great motor… if Beasley had his motor we wouldn’t be talking about trading him. Even better, he seems to enjoy hustling.
I love Faried...
… and really wanted him with our late first. That dude is up for a career of 25 no-nonsense, productive minutes per night within any system whatsoever. Maybe he’s even better than that. What a great investment.
I thought this game would put an end
to the Brewer nostalgia. Still a train wreck on offense. Yes, we have no competent offensive wings, but before our current crop caused me to pull my hair out there was Brewer playing the most spastic, out of control basketball I’d ever observed in the league. I don’t ever need to watch him play for the Wolves or any other team ever again.
by dropstep on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
0-5 from 3
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
It cured some of my nostalgia
His numbers have looked good this year but the missed threes and 4-15 overall looked way to familiar. He’s a limited minutes, situational guy. Great guy to pick up when you’ve filled all your other needs.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
We definitely saw Brewer have good months before
like he did in January. But that good play in limited minutes soured in February (around the time he teased the Nuggets into starting him) just like it always did for the Wolves. This month he’s almost Johnsonian, shooting .409 from the field and .250 from 3.
In terms of the madhouse of the box score, though,
which is all I’ve seen of this game, Corey Brewer: 42.6 mins, 0 TO?
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Ahh, more of the same
Ignore trends, base his current year on one game, and only the parts you wanted to see…
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, I'm ignoring trends?
Brewer is a career 40% shooter, 31% 3 pt shooter. This month he is a 40% shooter with 25% from 3. He had one good month this season, which has happened before when Brewer was on the Wolves (as an example, Jan 2010: 15.6 ppg on .470/.450 shooting). I am absolutely focused on trends. What I am ignoring are blips.
So your stats are more valuable than Coach Karl, their fans, and his teammates
who all say he’s a winner and one of the straws to stir the drink, so to speak? Sounds good.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Feb 21, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. They are more valuable.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
there's a lot to be said for effort
with Brewer and Faried, you get a lot of 50/50s you wouldn’t ordinarily get.
Faried's not in this conversation.
And Brewer can’t shoot.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
was going to post a really really negative comment here but I will refrain, too much negativity
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
He is just killing it as a starter
22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists on 52% shooting over his last 5 games
I have a feeling they're not letting him go
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Ironically, it could actually help
They have a LOT of money tied up in Gerald Wallace and Wes Matthews. Batum might play himself right out of their pricerange
Jamal Crawford will pick up his player option too.
Was talking about this with someone on here the other day..
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
Batum is one of my favorites. Please!
He is even guarding Gasol at times and destroying Matt Barnes. but that isn’t saying much.
by Pass the rock on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Batum keeps it up
Portland already failed to make a deal with him earlier. As a starter, Batum is averaging 20. can’t wait till july 1.
Portland might be able to accommodate Batum
if they move LMA to Center and Wallace to PF.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Still...
They will have to choose between Crash and Batum. Don’t see any way they can keep both with their expected salaries plus LMA
Sure they can.
They would only overlap for 1 year, and then they clearly pick the 24 year-old Batum over the 30 year-old Wallace.
He's now justifying that price tag with his play
I think they match any offer. Now perhaps we can make a play for Wallace or Matthews, but I really think they can keep all these guys happy if they move LMA to starting Center.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
think they'd risk LMA
getting pounded all night at the center position?
i'm glad i'm a bandwagon fan
because if i wasn’t i would be pretty mad right now (it’s actually quite funny when you watch it again), but that’s going to be remembered as much as that 3 by love against the clippers, amazing play.
After making it to the car with enough time to listen to overtime on the radio with Alan Horton
I get to hear all of that. Oy vey.
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What is this I don't even...
david b. thorpe @coachthorpe Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Webster erred, yes. But he hasn’t played a minute of a meaningful game since Portland.He’ll focus better going forward as he’s earning mins
Is he one of Thorpe's clients?
That usually explains things like this.
by TheH on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't go after my favorite sportswriter like that. I'll take you down. =)
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That is just such an incomprehensibly awful take (by Thorpe, not you)
Hasn’t played a meaningful minute? He was in that exact same situation literally 24 hours earlier.
Plus
It’s not like it’s his only bonehead play since Portland.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Hey if he didn't get the steal-
there would be no conversation.
Huh
I hadn’t noticed until now, but I can see the similarities in personality and writing between you and Thorpe. More of your humor is culled from your own brain instead of movies you’ve seen, but I can see why you like him.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Thorpe is the perfect writer for ESPN these days: pay for play
(sorry, Tim)
I’m kind of hoping they get the NHL back so we can see a before and after for the amount of coverage currently going hockey’s way.
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 21, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When you said "brain fart of the year candidate"
I think you meant “brain fart of the year frontrunner”.
It always looks worse when the shooting is that bad
but, well…I guess this one’s not bothering me as much as some others. The Nugs are tough, on the road, sometimes you get beat.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 PM CST reply actions
Like I said in the preview...
…I expected this to be a blowout loss. Didn’t expect Miller + Afflolo to go a combined 8-28.
This actually turned out better than expected for me
Quick, grade Wesley Johnson!
…I expected this to be a blowout loss. ….This actually turned out better than expected for me
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Yeah, I'm not too upset
Sure you had Martell’s horrible play, but if you’re going to shoot as abysmally as we did and keep it that close? surprising actually
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I feel much better after watching this clip
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
by GWST11 on Feb 20, 2012 11:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Stephon! Aaron Brooks!
Oh, lord, the half-hearted alley-oop thing at the end… Is that what it was? Was it an alley-oops?
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Oop! Martell's play is now the freshest entry in that "lowlights" category.
Martell Webster Just Made The Most Boneheaded Play Of The NBA Season
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
From Martell
To everyone out there I feel your pain. I will learn from this. All of your thoughts and opinions are appreciated!!! All I can do is move on
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by TimAllen on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I will say
that’s pretty classy shit. Still a dumbass until the morning, but props for that.
yeah, definitely
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by davechisholm on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
People are failing to mention...
That he actually stole the ball to be on that position. Not so great idea afterwards, but good steal to get a shot
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Martel sayz:
Martell: “Most people probably would have pulled up for the 3-point shot. Yeah, I can see why they would.”
Martell: "I don’t know if I was a mental thing, like I shot (a 3) before that and didn’t knock it down."
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly - I think this was a confidence issue more than a BBIQ issue
- he was missing wide open threes
- he hesitated on pulling up for a 3, lack of confidence
- then he had had poor BBIQ decision by not kicking it out
Good steal. Then low confidence. Then bad decision. Hmmm… I think I’m more peeved about the confidence issue than the bad decision.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
There are five Wolves who I would trust not to screw up that play
(Or any other crucial situation.) They all looked too tired to shoot well last night.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Five? That's impressive.
I can think of two. ;)
I know that folks have been clamoring for a wing...
But I’ve also been beating the drum of the necessity of solid bench play and reliable rotations
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
And you are right.
The amazing thing is how competitive this team has been considering the magnitude of the holes (Pessimists take) or under developed (Optimists take) parts on both the starting lineup and the bench. Unfortunately the shortened rotation may not be possible for this torturous schedule.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Hence the .500 record
Wing + solid bench rotation = legit playoff team
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
"All of your thoughts and opinions are appreciated!"
That makes me feel sad. Keep your chin up, Marty.
Wow, he's basically asking to get flooded with negative tweets
Balls.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
People are stupid
I think there’s a reason that Wes and Beas stopped using their twitter accounts midway through last season…I don’t doubt that they got sick of looking at negative replies
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
no he's saying he's already been flooded
and he’s still being classy.
Classy doesn’t do anything for his broken back, unfortunately
I'm sure he's getting flooded regardless.
It was one of the stupidest plays as a Wolves fan I can remember.
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
While we're rolling in Brewer nostalgia, do you remember Corey's
end of the game, under the opposing basket save to the opponent for the winning layup? That was a classic.
Oh, Corey.
End of his rookie year, he had a breakaway layup to win the Wolves’ last game, and missed it. I remember thinking they must be tanking the game for lottery position…. But it was Corey.
Or how about the neck-and-neck game in Boston during the first post-KG season, when he turned it over down the stretch of the 4th quarter by no inbounding the ball? Just stood there too long. Brilliant.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Corey owns a place in a small subset of players in my mind.
When Mickey Hatcher played left field I always worried that he might fire a throw down the line to third base and hit somebody in the second row behind the dugout. Similarly I thought fans behind the basket might be in danger when Corey was shooting threes. The other place holder in this group was a poor seventh grade baseball player. He was one of those kids who should have been collecting frogs for science experiments. He came out to catch the pitcher while the starting catcher got his gear on. None of the left over gear fit this unlucky skinny kid. The mask was hanging on his head but closer to sideways then snug. After the first warmup pitch he stood up, and throwing the ball back to the pitcher, hit the umpire who was standing halfway between first and second and looking elsewhere. The next pitch he did the exact same thing. There are a few things I wish I had on video tape, that’s one.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mickey Hatcher!
Mickey Hatcher, with the Dodgers, hitting a home run in the World Series and flat out running around the bases has to be one of my all-time favorite sports moments.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
I got Mickey's autograph!
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Mickey Hatcher would be an upgrade over Wes...
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Was Mickey the guy
That tried to catch the popup that Dave Kingman hit through the metrodome roof like 6 months after it happened but dropped it, hence the huge glove gag.
I could be way off but that’s how I remember it.
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really have no idea
I just remembered that I used to have (or…it might still be in a trunk somewhere) that baseball card.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
It was early 80s
Frank Viola was pitching. According to Viola Mickey went up there with the grounds crew the next day and threw the ball down onto the field where some other Twins players caught the ball.
Mickey was a total Clubhouse guy. Every team needs em. I wonder who that is on the TWolves. The fact that I’m not sure might suggest we don’t have a good one.
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I bet it's Ricky.
He makes everybody happy.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed Ricky is well liked
I bet he’s got a 5 move handshake with the janitor. But “clubhouse guy” is a complicated job if we’re talking about the All-Time Greats.
Any stiff can pull off the practical joke or tell a good story about a road trip to Atlanta. The real pros might have, say, a personal problem that the whole team can get involved in fixing. Like maybe they accidentally slept with the team owners daughter, for example. Somehow these guys find a way to bring the team together. Pros pros.
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking Miller
every rookie needs a Justin Beiber backpack.
I just got done explaining how it’s way more complicated than buying a pink backpack.
Smh. :)
by fanslaststand on Feb 22, 2012 9:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure Phil Jackson
had a whole slipped on a banana peel story for the team when it came to Jeanie Buss.
he's still an upgrade over Wes
which bodes well for the future. Keep in mind the guy’s coming back from difficult surgery. Pretty remarkable that he’s made the progress that he has.
He's always been total class
One reason I’m not hating on him right now.
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by twinstalker on Feb 21, 2012 4:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How about how Love was OWNED on the boards by Faried...
I have NEVER seen Love out of position more than in this game. Faried kept so many possessions alive for Denver it was amazing. Mutliple times there were 3 Twolves under the basket and Faried comes away with the ball.
Sorry…Love was NOT the best rebounder on the court tonight.
"But this one goes to eleven..."
Abscence of Pek was huge.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
There's really not a lot of shame in that.
Faried will never be the scorer that Love is, but in terms of boards? He has KLove’s motor but with crazy hops.
I can't believe the stiffs drafted ahead of Faried
Remember those twins that got drafted back to back for Whatsamattah U someplace like that.
I haven’t heard a peep about either of those lotto picks. Meanwhile you couldn’t stop Faried with a tranquilizer.
by fanslaststand on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Markeiff Morris
Is playing big minutes for Phoenix and has a few awesome post moves. Has scored 20ish a couple times this season.
The other one is on Utah’s D League…
let's not get overwhelmed here
Faried is a great rebounder in the Rodman mold. He’s about that good a scorer too. Comparisons to Love can only be made rebound-wise, and Kenneth isn’t exactly carrying his team the way Kevin has too.
I'm overwhelmed by Faried as a rebounder
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 11:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His stats make me think his limited minutes
come from the radical intensity he plays with, which reminds me that I’ve never understood why the NBA doesn’t go with shorter spurts of playing time, frequent substitutions and overall much higher levels of intensity (like hockey).
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
It makes sense in theory
But don’t most limited minutes guys tend to maintain their production when they get more minutes?
I also can’t really think of anybody that’s been bad as a starter/big minutes guy but awesome in short spurts.
Maybe it’s a rhythm and chemistry thing where it helps to have the same guys on the floor for extended minutes… I dunno. The Hubie Brown Grizzlies is the only recent team I can recall where they really spread the minutes out and had a set rotation w/ frequent substitutions.
I’d play Faried plenty of minutes and see if his motor can handle it. It was weird how everybody seemed to know that he was going to be drafted too low, and yet he still was.
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The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Thank you, sir.
Should’ve taken the extra step.
trade Love for Faried!!!
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
stepped on someones foot in the 1st, played part of 2nd
ankle injury, said it was “not bad”, probably day to day, might miss jazz game
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
Hopefully they're careful with him
290 pounds on that ankle
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Beasley was out for how many games with his sprain?
Now we’re talking about a big man who is huge, how long will it take for him to come back? arghhhh
also, I had a feeling not resting Love/Pek for just a little bit at least, something was gonna happen. Please be a tiny sprain.
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
I suspect he'll be back after the AS game
I doubt he’d have been able to play if it was a worse injury. Possible, I suppose.
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There are varying degrees of ankle sprains.
He could be back against Utah for all we know at this point.
No.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 20, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
We don't have the package
for Melo. We have 2 untradeables, and Pek is pretty close to untouchable now. Nothing else on this team has much value, and that’s why we’re mediocre.
U Ryke?
GET BATUM
I disagree with the much value part
Sounds crazy, but the Heat wouldn’t mind having Darko or Miller (but not their contracts)
I’m sure the Lakers are getting tired of their PGs and wouldn’t mind JJ or Rid
A team that can’t score (eg Bucks) wouldn’t mind having Beasley
I’m sure that a team like the Hornets would like to have DWill just to give their fan base some hope
Plenty of value on the bench. Problem is getting something we want in return
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
so there really isnt value, them
if you cant buy something with what you have, where is the value? “the problem is nobody will give me reasonable goods for my money” is kind of a red flag.
there's value, but most trades usually don't end up w/both parties completely happy... their crap for our crap
from these scenarios above…
the Lakers could offer MWP. he fills the bill. solid D. decent enough 3 point shot. but we don’t like his contract for an old guy.
same thing goes for the Bucks. Capt Jack fills the bill, but we don’t like his contract for an old guy.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Laker fans are ready to kill MWP
Keep him away from here
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t like Capt Jack or MWP, but they would be an upgrade at the wing. More of a fit than Beasley.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
He's shooting 33/20/51
With the 2nd worst REB%, worst STL% and 2nd highest TO% of his career.
He may be the worst player in the league…
Oh my god
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
And he's 32, so Wes wins on upside!
On the other hand, how good would Wesley Johnson be as a record producer?
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
I think Wes wrote this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KagvExF-ijc&ob=av3e
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He produced David Kahn's cover of "Body Language," too.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
by feral on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
from the album
Under the Covers: A Softer Side of Kahn
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Just my thing but,
You think Milwaukee wants Beasley for his offense, but do you think Scott Skiles wants to teach him defense?
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by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't want to teach most of his NBA roster (raised O) defense
Beas wouldnt be an exception
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Decent enough three point shot?
Laker fans collectively cringe whenever MWP shoots the ball.
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Capt Jack is a "me" player
we shouldn’t want him
Melo for Derrick Williams...
probably makes sense for both teams. It will never happen, but it does make sense.
We could use someone that takes too many shots (that are made)
tbh.
PEK > NBA ALL STAR WEEKEND 2012
by y2jayjk on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The only person in Minnesota who liked Webster's blunder?
Luke Ridnour, since no one even remembers his blown layup anymore
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by TimAllen on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
hah. I was just typing up a post that I thought that play was the real back breaker
but now I don’t have to be the one to call him out. Thanks!
(Insert a "too soon" Martel broken back joke here)
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by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Beasley got it twice
Getting snuffed on his drive to the basket by a smaller player… suddenly forgotten by the Ridnour miss… then superforgotten after Martell.
Now he hopes we remember 17-7
by midlife crisis on Feb 20, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Wolves were lucky to be in that position
I’m a lot more irritated in Websters inability to make any of the wide open threes earlier in the game. Also, Wes is so f*ing invisible right now that even Rubio cannot find him for open threes. Not that he would make them anyway. Arg.
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by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
It really is unbelievable how those two just repeatedly brick wide open corner threes.
They wouldn’t get cleaner looks during warm-ups, and they haven’t had one key make.
Wayne Ellington, limited as he is, is making those shots from the bench in his mind right now.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Absolutely. Wow, I basically forgot about him
and now I’m a little outraged that he hasn’t been in at all.
I remember his rookie year
when he couldn’t hit a thing at first. Then he turned the corner at Christmas and went 54-114 (47.4%) on three-pointers the rest of the way. He was pretty good on threes last year, too. His overall shooting is pretty crappy, but if you need a wing to hit threes, he’s all we’ve got right now.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
He's streaky though...
but yeah, I agree, what’s the worst that could happen
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
He's very streaky the way he plays now.
If he stopped pretending to be a multidimensional player and just shot threes, it might get better.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Somewhere, Mplax is still clinging to his
“Ellington-as-point guard” dream
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is obvious he should have been dreaming of
Ridnour as SG instead.
I think he's spending time away from Hoopus in his Greg Oden Penis Joke Lab
Soon, the greatest Greg Oden Penis Joke of all time will be unleashed on Canis Hoopus, and we will be made new in its magnificence.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
It's the merry-go-round of disappointment.
Wes, Beas, Martel, AR, AT, Wayne. Round and round we go. (I’ll give Derrick and Malcolm rookie passes.)
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hear ye, hear ye.
Given that we’ve talked about Corey Brewer here, he gets to ride the special pony for this turn.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Why could no one
force Al Harrington to the baseline like Wes did to KMart?
Wes, Martell too small and Beasely, DWill too dim.
Wolves need a 2 for Afflollo to guard instead of Ricky.
DWill for Evan Turner anyone?
by WinTheLottery on Feb 21, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's a dimness issue
Everyone knows what to do. Beasely and DWill are too slow.
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Dwill for Turner?
Where do I sign?
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Feb 21, 2012 9:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dwill for Turner is so obvious it hurts
for both teams and both players. Let’s let these two kids play basketball!!!
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I like Turner quite a bit...
but he is an awful fit next to Rubio, and does not fill our obvious need for a guy who can hit corner 3s. I will take that trade, but only because Turner is clearly the better player. Not sure why Philly would do it.
I am going to argue the awful fit thing
I don’t know why Philly would do it unless they believe that Vucevic/Williams/Young is a legit frontcourt for the next 10 years (which it very well may be). It seems like they would have an easier time playing Williams than Turner
Now for us:
Where does all this come from that Turner and Rubio would be a bad fit? Is it the fact that neither is a great 3 point shooter?
I see an opportunity to have a remarkably good ball handling back court. Two excellent passers, ballhandlers and guys that attack the paint relentlessly. ET might be a bit broke from threes, but his midrange game looks superub and I love how he just seems to have a nose for the basket.
He’s a smart player and likewise with Rubio I would trust him to hit an open three (maybe not a contested one) but smart guys seem to be able to adapt their game.
I also wouldn’t undersell the fact that he is coming off the bench and playing inconsistently as a factor in his jumper.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I love Turner, but inconsistent playing time
has nothing to do with his jumper. He’s never been a shooter.
He took 149 3s in 3 years (101 games) of college (and hit them at 36%).
In the Pros, he;s attempted 72 in 109 games and hit them at 29%.
And does he attack the paint relentlessly?
Even “PER36”, he only gets 2.6 FTAs per game.
from what I've seen he does
tough to track and I guess FTA is the only good way to track it. there could be a few factors that play into the lowish FTA averages
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
He did in college for sure.
But he doesn’t have the same advantages in the Pros that he did there. He’s not super quick, super athletic or super long. He’s just really smart.
a few posts above
vj’s PA100 thing notes that he is defenately good at attacking the rim and midrange shooting (which I also agree with) but he is poor at three point shooting and getting free-throws
it’s an odd paradox, but vj110 suggests that he might shift to avoid contact like Rose did for a little bit.
one of those wierd little things that both the eye test and the stats test are right even though they suggest two different outcomes kinda
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Awful was a stretch....
but I am definitely talking fit and not talent.
Turner does not like being setup to make things happen. He is assisted on fewer of his baskets than any SG outside of Delonte West. He struggled early on because Philly forced him to play off-ball. He didn’t really blossom until Philly started letting him create for himself. Is that really the guy we want next to Rubio? I will take him because he is good, but the fit is questionable.
He isn’t a 3pt shooter at all. He is shooting a putrid 25% right now. The only SG below him is Wes (and Wade who takes 1/2 a 3pa per 40). Turner was was of the worst 3pt shooting 2s last season as well. He is a smart player, and that is why I like him, but he isn’t making threes. If we can get a SF who is a 3-point specialist and then mix Ridnour in as a backup two, this would be fine… but right now that is skill we desperately need.
Weird, I would think Wade would take more 3's
He’s going to have a short career with the way he plays…
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Twos and Threes
It worries me when I hear that Turner spends so much time in Collin’s dog house. Is this true and if so , Why? A Turner/Rubio backcourt might be fabulous for maximizing Love/Pek/…Wes? I think it would be better to solve the 3 hole first. Problematic as it is Luke is a stopgap at the 2.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I know what you mean by stopgap, but Luke at the 2 is awful. It's hurting us.
It’s allowing bigger guards to check Rubio, robbing him of one his assets (his size) on offense. It’s making Barea the backup point, which he’s not. It’s letting teams get incredible matchups on offense with Luke being outmanned every game (he’s performed valiantly on defense though, I got no qualms with his D, but that’s graded on a sliding scale and he shouldn’t be put in that position). And I’d argue with how much he has to focus on defense now, that his shot is suffering.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I can't argue your points.
Although I still think the three is a bigger hole. If Barea is not a backup point, What is he?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Where I disagree
Evan Turner would represent a significant upgrade at a position of incredible weakness in the NBA where we could easily make a move to get a SF some other way as there are plenty of good enough SF.
I’d rather use the 3 spot to find the shooter than the two spot. If we can get a fixture at the 2 I think we will be looking really good
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
maybe we should look at some D-league guys?
there’s a lot of talent there, and it’s what the league is for after all. There are some pretty good SF’s and 2guards just hoping for a shot.
Ben Uzoh
is the d leaguer to target
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
who was that?
I like Uzoh and he has produced pretty regularly in the pro’s when given minutes
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Manny Harris
Canton’s Manny Harris Named NBA Development League Performer of the Week
NEW YORK, Feb. 20, 2012 – Manny Harris of the Canton Charge was today named NBA Development League Performer of the Week for games played Feb. 13-19, when the Charge went 2-0. The announcement marks the second time Harris has been named NBA D-League Performer of the Week. He also earned the honor on Jan. 30. With the honor, he becomes the first player to twice be named NBA D-League Performer of the Week during the 2011-12 season.
Harris, a 6-5, 185-pound guard from Michigan averaged 41.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 6.0 assists while shooting 58 percent from the floor last week. He recorded a season-high 46 points in a 136-113 win over the Rio Grande Valley Vipers on Feb. 16 before finishing the week with a 36-point outing on Feb. 18 as the Charged swept the two-game series with the Vipers 135-132.
For the season, Harris is averaging 21.4 points, 7.9 rebounds and 3.3 assists in 17 games for Canton.
Love Manny Harris
What team picked him up? He’s got good size and ability. I would take him in a heart beat
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Cleveland dumped Uzoh
to make room for signing Harris.
He was available to us up until yesterday.
Ah
bummer, he or Uzoh are both good players
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
We really need to make a lopsided deal
To clear up some roster spots this inability to make moves is frustrating when around 70% of your team shouldnt be in the NBA
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Its all these damn guaranteed contracts.
Picking up options on guys like Ellington kill flexibility.
More fuel to the fire
IMO on why Kahn is an idiot
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
This too is a multi-year situation.
Boil it down, POBO, boil it down.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
D League is for finding an emergency spare tire after a flat (or role players) or getting the rust off folks
But not for finding starters and key 6th men
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
limiting, yes...
but true? probably
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
There are all kinds of talented players that could be in the NBA that get skipped over for one reason or another (right or wrong). The NBADL probably has some of these players.
I don’t really think the talent experts in the NBA are all that skilled. To me it seems way more likely there are starters and high quality 6th men-capable players in the D league than not.
Most coaches can’t even play the best talent they have on their own roster and they’re supposed to be elite, knowledgeable basketball people in an organization.
Why was Kenneth Faried sitting on the bench for so long this season (as some advanced stats people were saying wow this might be a great player – give him a shot)? After so few minutes he played really really well, and now after 200+ minutes he’s played like an elite player.
Why? – because George Karl has no idea who’s good on his own team.
There's no doubt that gems could be found in the D League
But it shouldnt be a Snipe hunt. NBA already watered down enough. See my post below.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Don't agree.
Ignoring any possible source of players is foolish. Note how the NBA used to avoid drafting foreigners.
by bustaone on Feb 21, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Ignoring any source is foolish.
I’m just saying historically that starters and 6th man of the year candidates aren’t from CBA or D League.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Do we have scouts in Antarctica?
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 22, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
When the Russians finally reach that lake under the ice,
David Kahn will be there, on assignment.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Maybe, but
here’s a spare tire hitting 46.7% of his threes on high volume over the last three years. If you don’t like guys without NBA experience here’s one hitting 46.5% on high volume this year you might recognize. Here’s a 24 year old who’s gotten much better over the last 3 years and has made 102 threes this season at a 42.5% clip.
Are they viable? I don’t know, but I’d rather give them a minimum non-guaranteed deal than sit on our status quo.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Old spare tire might not be the answer by any stretch, but the D-League can tell us some things...
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Seriously, why can't we give this a shot?
We should get Wes’ salary off the books by giving him to any team that’ll take him.
It’s time for the D-League experiment at SG if we’re not going to make a trade.
Tell that to Golden State
They seem to find wings in the DLeague every year that are better than anyone we’ve had in…oh man…
When did we last have a good wing?
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The D League would be awesome if there weren't so many NBA teams
Contraction would improve play, but the NBA is more than entertainment. If it were, there woul be legalized use of steroids and AstroTurf in every arena
Hurricane Katrina sucked. The NBA needs to stay there.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing the Wolves
Already have a number of very good D leaguers sitting on their bench.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
tough
tough loss. so many chances score, so many times the shot did not fell in. Denver down to a 6th string PG and didnt really take advantage. Couldnt score in overtime, except for a dunk when down by 3
BUT, I still love this years team. after what seemed like 40 years of futility, its nice to have meaningful games in February
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Feb 20, 2012 11:49 PM CST reply actions
Too Bad Rubio came out of the game...
When Miller was ejected. He was probably gassed, but I bet he was not going to let Stone settle in. He was harrassing him and forcing the issue.
I think we could have won the game right there. But it is what it is.
And that is why you don't have risky haircuts.
If you are playing great and can back up your style, then you can dress and look like a total fool. But if you mess up while looking like a loser, you are double crucified.
So now Martell looks like an idiot, and he acts like an idiot too! Sometimes you CAN judge a book by its cover!
Strange take.
Is Martel’s haircut his problem or is it your problem?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Wolver comes up with some strange ones...
But I don’t understand his hate of martel’s haircut. I think it is awesome.
Let it snow let it snow let it snow
Gotta walk to school too
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
or whoever's 3 pt % is the best in the NBDL
Please.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
I think a Derrick Williams trade is an absolute necessity.
We absolutely have to trade him, and the longer we wait, the lower his value gets. I would gladly move him for [Courtney Lee + small asset] or J.J. Redick.
Evan Turner
and then sign Batum in FA to get the three point guy.
I realize Williams is currently not a fit but Reddick or Lee would be an awfully low sell on perhaps the best tradeable asset (even if we waited to long to use it) the Wolves have ever had.
I’d just as soon keep Williams and hope he explodes than trade him for service guys like that. We probably can sign a player like that in FA
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I like the idea of ET for D-Will - swapping #2 picks
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Turner's not gonna cut it for me
After watching Webster and Wes brick so many open threes, I’m convinced it has to be a capable outside shooter.
if he was a 3 pt. gunner
along with his ball handling, size, and defensive upside
there would be no chance DWILL would be enough.
by WinTheLottery on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
Which is why we shouldn’t trade for him, but rather a 3 pt. gunner who does not have his ball handling, size, and defensive upside.
I'd much rather take my chances
that a guy who is seemingly good at everything but 3 point shooting can figure out how to shoot 3’s
than with a guy who is very good at shooting threes figuring out how to be a good basketball player.
I would bet money in 3 years ET is at minimum a good enough 3 point shooter where it is no longer a flaw (34% or so) but just not his best skill
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
plus...
consistent playing time would help Turner’s production. Although the book is hardly out on Webster. He’s still in recovery mode. He may well be one of those “only improve” with time guys.
Turner's shooting for me
is just like Rubio’s. Are they gonna hit contested three pointers all game? Probably not. I would take them both over anyone on our roster outside of Love to hit a big open three late in games though
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
sigh
I don’t want our shooting guard shooting like our point guard (who’s weak link is, by far, shooting).
I’d take Meeks before I’d take Turner.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry but that is the wrong take
Lou Williams is the bench Sixer I could live with as a “I’d rather have him convo”
Meeks does 1 thing. Let’s not overrated the ability to shoot just cause we are struggling with it. Good basketball players win out
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Meeks scores efficiently while not turning the ball over
That’s what we need in the 2-guard spot.
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PA 100
has Meeks as the worst offensive player on Philly. He shoots threes better than most players… but he is an anchor in every other respect.
I think PA 100 is the AS I need to lean on
I feel like most of my takes are supported to some extent by PA 100
this can be explained probably because I value efficient shot creation which PA 100 tends to account for
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
not really
what do u mean by cling?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Just your hope that he can still be a viable player
It was more in jest than anything.
Ehhhh
I do think he is far and away the best 3 on the roster……He very well could be the worst wing in the league and still occupy that however….
I do think at some point he “gets it” I’m pretty much cool with it not being here as we are close enough that two good wings make us legit title contenders
I just don’t know how many players Beasley-good in college did nothing in the pro’s? I’d bet moeny at some point he’ll turn it around…I also think he has largely looked bad for the better part of this season
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I don't think a 4th year player who is worse
virtually across the board than he was as a rookie is ever going to “get it”.
If Beasley had shown any marked improvement in his 4 years, I;d be banging that drum. But he’s actually a worse player than he was when he got to the league.
what is the precedent though?
I can’t even think of a player who was a 25/10 guy his freshmen year in college that didn’t burn out cause of drugs or whatever that did nothing productive in the pro’s
I would bet on talent winning out at some point and him being able to be good…..but hell if I where a GM that would probably alwyas be my downfall.
I also think he probably should be gone after this year unless something drastic happens
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Just because someone is good in college
Doesnt mean its going to translate to pros. His competition is better and he doesnt have a true position.
Its more of a general statement of fact in all facets of life. If you show no improvement of something you are actually not that good at to begin with that you actually devote a lot of time doing. Odds are you are not going to get better its just not in the cards.
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not 25/10, but
Kris Humphries averaged 21/10 as a freshman and it took years for him to transition into a role player.
You also have guys like Ed O’Bannon, Steve Alford, Adam Morrison, LaRue Martin, Bo Kimble, Rodney White, Stromile Swift…
College domination doesn’t always translate.
Beasley looked as close to a sure thing as you’ll find, but after 4 years he’s still not getting it.
Humphries is a good example
but even consider that he is a productive NBA player
Beasley is not
Another misconception about my takes is by “getting it” I am suggesting Beasley will be a super star…not really, but a compotent scorer who can be a postive productive player on a good team I think is a possible outcome for him…assuming he “get’s it”
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
So if Beasley isn't even a productive player
4 years into his career, I’m thinking that’s a pretty big sign…
I'm guessing he'd look better on the Wolves and was told to just stand at the 3point line.
There’s a lot of guys I’d take over Meeks, but between him and ET? On the Wolves?
Gimme the guy who can hit threes, thanks.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'll always take the better basketball player
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think fit can be as important.
The 5 best basketball players doesn’t always (or often) give you the best team.
Took me five Whatifsports.com teams to figure that out.
“WHY THE F*%@ CAN’T I WIN WITH WILT, MJ, BIG O, KAREEM, AND MAGIC?! THIS DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!”
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
How so?
Turner is better at basketball than Meeks and plays a position of need on our team.
If we are talking a bench scorer you are right, but we’re talking fixture starter here I think you go with the best basketball player
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Because I don't know what you mean by "best basketball player"
You can’t even quantify that statement. It’s so subjective as to be meaningless.
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We're not talking about a fixture starter, we're not talking about selling the farm for a pipedream, we're not looking three years down the road.
We’re talking about Now, a band-aid, a quick fix, a Gary Neal.
Good God, I’d kill for Gary Neal.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
"but we’re talking fixture starter here I think you go with the best basketball player"
And that leads to things like wanting Derrick Williams to be a SF. Wanting the “more talented” guy, even if he’s a bad fit.
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I woudl go with ET over Meeks...
but I agree in the sense that Meeks’ shittiness would be more useful on the Wolves, while ETs goodness would be less useful than it would be on most teams.
Not sure why there's so much Meeks love around here lately
WS/48 likes him, but I don’t see anything in his stats to suggest he’s so great. He’s good at shooting and not turning it over. That’s it. He’s Anthony Morrow with better defense. Those guys can be found without giving up anything of value.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t love to see him starting on the Wolves right now, but sending Derrick Williams over for Meeks would be a panic move. Williams doesn’t fit on our team, but I’d certainly hope we can do better than Meeks for him.
P.S. What does your stat say about Redick?
"Those guys can be found without giving up anything of value."
Just not by THIS franchise…
Yep
It’s very frustrating. If we could get rid of Wes for a heavily protected 2nd round pick and grab the best D-League shooting guard that would be a good start.
I'm pretty sure nobody has said or would say 'trade Williams for Meeks'
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure TimAllen did in another thread
and seemed to have some support. I’m not trying to make a huge generalization based on that, but some seemed to be for it.
Indeed I did
I think Anthony Morrow with better defense would be a fantastic player
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Meeks would be a huge upgrade
Shoot, Morrow would be a huge upgrade.
I just think that we can find someone like that w/o giving up Williams. I’d rather pick up the best D-leaguer or go after someone like Morrow or Reggie Williams than give up on Williams for someone like Meeks. I’m fine with trading Williams, but not for Meeks.
PA 100 likes Redick a lot...
1.88, one of the better SG ratings. + player in both shot creation and execution.
Thanks for looking that up
I wonder how gettable JJ is if Howard is traded. I originally was skeptical about his NBA prospects, but he’s really turned himself into a player. Pretty good defender too.
It really doesn't matter how many times
it is repeated, by however many posters, that Turner is a horrible fit on this team. You’re just going to repeat this call over and over, won’t you?
just to annoy you :)
I think it’s a mistake to not go for it. I’ll put two smart basketball players on the floor together….they’ll figure it out.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
VM would gain credibility if..
..he would stop repeating everything 100x and just making people sick of it.
Turner has been surprisingly good this year – for the sixers. Next to rubio he would be some weird rebounding version of JJ.
Who says I am aiming for credibility?
I like the sound of my own keys typing.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Me too..
I mean… I cant hear you typing… dont check the closet…
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Too bad you can't get an old Remmington hooked up to the net.
DING! (return)
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
26 yo Courtney Lee
Who is having a career year (yielding a whopping 14.5 per) and will likely regress to the mean? Ugh, come on. I know we want a wing but don’t sell low.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i agree
do not love Lee
Reddick is OK, as I show below it is very likely we could get him without giving up Williams….but at least he has a history of being sweet
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'm not saying Lee is an All-Star
But I view him as an obtainable upgrade.
According to Hoopsworld he wants out of HOU. He is permanently buried behind KMart. He went to the Finals with D12 in ORL. His primary skills are (or were in ORL) 3 point shooting and defense. Not a long or big contract.
Even if he is about average, it seems like that would be a realistic improvement. Probably have to wait for the off-season to get a major difference maker like Batum, and even then the chances are not great due to RFA.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Probably would've done better than 1/6 from three last night, especially considering how open Webster's shots were.
The team went 6/27 overall from three, or 2/20 if you take out Rubio and Beasley. Or 1/16 if you take out Love too.
We. Need. A. Shooter.
But Heavens to Betsy, not that awful J.R. Smith
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Lee isn’t a stud, but he’d be a massive upgrade on this roster.
I would want any of the wings from Houston
But is McHale and Co. gonna help us out, when they are in the bottom of the playoffs and we’re trying to get in?
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
but not for Derrick Williams
I don’t disagree that if we can get Lee for something like…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=877gfkj
but Williams for Lee is maybe the finest example I can think of of selling awfully low on an asset
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
At his current level of play
He would be a decent, though far from massive, upgrade. Historically, though, he isn’t that different from Martell.
Lee for Dwill is an absurd idea.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
also something like this could very well be possible
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7evqzza
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
DO NOT TAKE BACK HEDO!
He has a terrible contract. That’s a deal breaker! 3 years at 11 million is absolutely untradable! Yuck!
by Darth Paxton on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yes,
but Redick and Hedo are both automatically starters on our team. And we make the playoffs.
when last time
5 white starters made the playoffs
get a little referee bias and we could call it affirmative action
by WinTheLottery on Feb 21, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
HEY EVERYONE THEY'RE RESHOWING THE GAME ON FSN RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!
WHO WANTS TO WATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!?
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
%%%
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Courtesy of someone very funny
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/lab/2862458972.html
See guys, Kahn is looking for a wing player!!
I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..
by Love4MVP on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Funny
MWP doesn’t meet age requirement and salary restrictions
It sorta sounds like JR Smith has the quals for the job
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
It was a Lost and Found ad looking for Wesley Johnson's three-point shot
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I tried to look at this and it had been flagged for removal..
damn you David Kahn!!!! Why are you on Craiglist anyways?
Everything must be owned
nothing can be free, especially not for #$%@! fans who exist solely to give money to the NBA, its media partners, merchandising partners and scumbag owners.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Even after this debacle, this team is eventually deserving of 7th seed ahead of...
Houston, Denver, Portland, and Utah
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We so, so need to beat Utah on Wednesday.
Need to go to the all-star break at .500 with that brutal schedule coming up. (I am going to that game! Pek better be okay.)
Yup, a must win
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
You are officially one of the biggest homers on this site.
Wait, you’re a Bulls fan, right?
Personally IMHO...
Rose, Rubio = worth the League Pass fee
Boozer, Korver, Pek = I like watching them play
Deng, Love = I don’t particularly enjoy their games, but I know they’re critical cogs.
rest of players and league = meh
I grew up watching Jordan’s Bulls (including the many initial mediocre years). I stopped watching the Bulls and the NBA after his 1st retirement. I started watching the Bulls again w/Rose’s emergence.
All these years I’ve enjoyed pickup games at the gym much more than watching games. But now as an older person, broken parts ain’t so much fun & being a spectator is the next best thing.
I figure being a Rose Rubio fanatic is a good vice as any
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 22, 2012 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
understand your takes better now
given how Jordan ruined the NBA and all. No wonder you don’t enjoy Love’s game.
more accurately...
The 80s pistons almost ruined the NBA.
MJ (the owner) almost ruined the MBA.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Difference being that
no kids grew up wanting to be Bill Laimbeer. I don’t recall young players eschewing learning basic skills like dribbling and shooting to focus on honing their thuggery.
I really enjoyed the Jordan Bulls too
I live in Rochester, MN and we used to get WGN on cable. Watched many Bulls games.
Now that I’m married w/kids, only have time for one team. But I’m rooting for the Bulls to come out of the East.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
my 6yo and 3yo don't know much about bball
But they can definitely find Rose and Rubio on the court.
But my 2 older kids don’t care much for bball. They just know that Daddy monopolizes the computer during Wolves and Bulls games.
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't know if it's me being a homer
but I love KLove’s game. His ability to take a beating, score under the basket, draw fouls, and bury open threes is exactly why I am an NBA guy.
I think it really grows on you.
You maybe have to watch him consistently and you start to appreciate how he does those things every single game, despite getting incredibly physical play from just about every opponent.
It’s also intensely satisfying when he gets a kickout from three, and you can basically pump your fist before he even releases the ball.
My personal favorite
is when he’s making the inbound pass, trails Rubio, then follows up court and gets the pass at the three point line for the easy 3. Not quite a transition score, but he is money on that shot.
anyone else having CH technical issues?
Or am I on the blocked list bc of all my Anti-Love rhetoric?
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by ronatcampzama on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Outside of his 3PT shot, he's got a straight up old school bruisin game
Adding Pek as the center just makes our frontcourt even more awesome.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
It's a tough guy combo at 4 and 5
that has to rely on strength and power under the basket. Pek only takes shots there, KLove takes his best shots there, and both of them have remarkable ability to draw fouls.
In a semi-suddenly guard league, it’s pretty remarkable to me that we’re so front court strong. Pek ain’t a great defender, but he does not give up position underneath. Not a help-side defender, but he will block shots.
Kevin’s 3 point shot is the outlier, of course, but I’m sure as hell not gonna complain.
"Pek only takes shots there . . ."
From a recent Fox Sports interview with Pek:
How’s your passing ability?
“Depends.”
How’s your jump shot?
“I don’t know. . . . I don’t take jump shots so much.”
And 3-pointers?
“Three pointers? I don’t shoot those in my life.”
Can this guy get any more awesome?
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 22, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
He's got a very nice FT stroke
but I like that he’s exclusively a paint guy, and doesn’t seem to have any interest in shooting jumpers. That has to be tiring to defend.
The thing about Pek
is that he’s EXACTLY what he does on the court. Three pointers? Please. Why take those when he can dunk on bitches who continue to foolishly disrespect him?
Expand his game? Fuck that, too. Dude does what he do, and what he do works amazingly well.
I love watching those guys together
Two bruisers who attack the offensive glass relentlessly. It’s also great that they’re both excellent FT shooters for big men, despite their physical styles.
The only thing I can contribute to this
is that Faried boarded liked a motherfucker in that Nuggets game. He’s so agressive on O- and D- boards. What a player. Beasted against our beloved pups.
then a Pekful Sota?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
And if we were in the Leastern Conference
we’d deserve to be seeded 4th or 5th
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I really think that whether or not we make the playoffs this year
could come down to whether or not we make a trade at the deadline.
This^
Utah ended up losing to Utah tonight too so I guess that’s good.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
*Utah lost to San Antonio
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
That's not good
Utah isn’t realistically a playoff team, and we need them to be (for their pick). Worst case scenario is both Utah and Wolves miss playoffs.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Can Utah stay in the race long enough
for us to include that pick in a deal for an SG? Then they can sink to their deserved level of suckitude.
My take on it
It was our game from the start and it was lost for the following reasons:
1. Our entire defense slept on the second especially Williams on Harrington
2. JJ went on his heroics whenever he was in and messed up again. It is not the scoring it is how you do NOT keep people involved on the offensive end. The ball is not moving AT ALL!! He has to change his ways or play only as a SG.
3. Pek got injured
4. Our wings could not hit anything
and most important of all (and this is coming from a big Love-Rubio-Adelman fan)
5. Beasley owned Brewer and the ball was not going to him as much as it should on the fourth and on OT. Adelman messed this up insisting on the two ball game with Love and Rubio. Only in the last two plays he put legitimately Beas in the picture by setting the double pick play on the top.
Still we had a shot at it and if you do not make your lay-ups or your open shots…what to expect?
Very very frustrating…hence my first post ever!!!
by ksimons on Feb 21, 2012 2:39 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
to be fair...
Beasley had some good burn.
To be more fair… Beasley should have been called for offensive fouls twice.
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
i agree that he played well overall
one of his better efforts. however, i think that was largely because he blended into the offense. his late game iso (creating his own shot!) not so much.
Truth.
Where was his D as well?
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 8:18 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Witness what's happening to Martell for making the potential game-winning steal
Beasley’s too smart to fall into that trap.
Nobody makes fun of you if you’re not even in the picture when the guy dunks.
Poor martel
Least he got the steal.
Luke missing from 5’ was a real pain.
If you are making banana sandwiches
You are going to slip on some peels. Or something.
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by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Good game by Beasley, not a great OT
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
It's scary but I think Beas needs to speed the game up.
When he gets the ball he needs to do something immediately. Shoot without hesitation, break hard. Or move the ball on without holding it.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
The 1 problem with Adleman's short hook
when it pertains to Beasley and Williams is it is very very obvious to me that they are now not playing all the instinctivelly because they don’t want to get pulled.
it’s leading to ball movement which is nice….but I wish there was a way for them to play comfortably and continue to move the ball
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I like the short hook
He keeps them in the game as long as they are reinforcing and reworking good behavior. He takes them out when they revert so he is not reinforcing that behavior. It’s only over time that they will develop new “instincts”
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
That was a Lovecraftian nightmare of a basketball game
We should have been up 40 in the first quarter by hitting A DAMN LAYUP for a start.
T'Wolves 2012: Where Pek Decimates Jason Thompson
Yup, that's about all there is to say
Except, perhaps, to point out that if Derrick Williams can’t cope with Al Harrington’s spin move, the idea that he can’t defend the three position just might have rather a lot of merit.
T'Wolves 2012: Where Pek Decimates Jason Thompson
by Malastare on Feb 21, 2012 6:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I will try and cheer you up BSG
Yesterday I was teaching an IT class at a local community centre. There was a door there that made me laugh. It said “Assertiveness class. Quiet Please.”
T'Wolves 2012: Where Pek Decimates Jason Thompson
by Malastare on Feb 21, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm going to chose to not dwell on one play for this one
We played well after a dramatic win the night before, against a really solid team. Sure they were missing some players, but watching the game, the Nugs really came to play.
Of course their are excuses for every loss, but this one kind of was what it was. On to the next.
Certainly shouldn't have come down to those plays
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Well this all sounds miserable.
I do look forward to watching it.
"If you’ve got some balls, you can do some stuff"
by JonesTheCat on Feb 21, 2012 7:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't watch.
Seriously. Just don’t do it to yourself. It’s awful.
You're a masochist,
but I admire the dedication.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
The veteran Andre Miller's second technical may have been an even dumber mistake.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
More on Martell "Einstein"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
http://deadspin.com/5886779/martell-webster-just-made-the-most-boneheaded-play-of-the-nba-season
Martell's reasoning shows he knows he goofed
I’m not buying the “I was hoping to get fouled” bit. He just had a brain freeze or he was afraid to shoot the 3. I’m 50-50 on which one. He has passed up so many 3s over the last few games often to surprise a teammate with an unexpected pass. And he of course missed a key wide open 3 late.
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I remember playing at one of Clem's summer camp
We had a close game and we were down by one and our big (John Thomas) just grabbed a defensive rebound and called a timeout. There were like 12 seconds remaining and since I was the PG the coach wanted me to inbound the ball to our lanky SF who would then pass the ball back to me and I would run up the court and get the ball to John as quickly as possible. “Do not throw the ball down court on the inbounds!” The coach repeated this over and over and over.
What did I do? Threw it down court for a turnover. I have no idea why I did it. I’m not sure Martell knows why he did it either. He’s just trying to make sense of it after the fact.
Just be thankful
You didn’t have a twitter account back then
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
(i dont know why any of these guys have twitter accounts)
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 21, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Must be fun
Until you make a play like that. Then its pure venom.
See: Beas’ and Wes’ twitter pages
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, could be just a "he goofed" as Love said, too. I agree.
—it happens
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by ChicagoViking on Feb 21, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, not much more to say
It’s a super fast-action sports. A mistake, to be sure, but nothing more than that. We can count on Webster, he is a good player.
I agree - when the pressure is on
it is easy to have some brain freeze. Has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with handling pressure.
As I said, I’m not that bothered by that play. The way he was shooting, he probably thought he’d miss the three anyway. As SnP says, the mistakes made in the 2nd quarter count just as much.
The reasons I thought the Wolves lost were:
- Lack of Pek removed one of the Wolves primary options so they struggled to score
- Lack of Pek meant every time Love shot that was a miss was a D rebound + fastbreak for Denver. Needed someone else to O rebound.
- Lack of any wings / guards who could make the wide open 3s that were available
- Lack of defense on Harrington, who seems to underperform in general but kills the Wolves
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by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
I would also add
That it wasn’t our wings who were shooting atrocious (Rid being the only shooter at 50% or up), but our entire team.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he thought about missing the 3
That’s not how it works.
It was a steal, a fast break, and instinct took over, which said to take it to the rim. You could see him stutter-step around the free throw line when he realizes he shoulda took the 3, but at that point it’s too late.
I think that is an excellent list
but I will add Barea’s play running the point in the 2nd quarter that killed any flow the team had. I couldn’t believe what I was watching from him as the team threw away the lead with the 2nd team out there.
I agree - he played way too much 1 on 5 offensively
and he was struggling on defense.
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by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think the list could grow some more.
I’d add loss of big body (Pek), facilitated Denver’s second quarter run and Faried’s rebounding.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Beasely to Lakers?
Yeah, the Lakers might want Beas. Zgoda says their trade exception (Odom) gives them room.
Give me Matt Barnes and a pick I guess.
Besides the obvious which we aren’t going to get, who else do they have?
And I think Beas now is a lost cause. He was “better” last year as a bigger fish on a smaller team. Now with Love, Rubio being the stars, it could be an issue. Maybe he is just used to being the star. He didn’t handle the Heat situation well. I don’t see how the Lakers fit for him for this reason. But, this would be their problem.
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If you can make an upgrade you do it
A) Not sure Barnes is an upgrade
B) I have never been more convinced than I am right now that Beasley for better or worse is far and away the best wing on this team (I am not including Barea/Ridnour as wings)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
frightening
but also true. I hope he can get his head around this whole team game thing. And I hope, somehow, that he starts creating mismatches on offense rather than causing them on defense.
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
I think Beas has the most talent and potential to be the best wing by far
I’m kinda of having a Kobe-moment — “Then just let him play Coach Adelman or trade him David Kahn.”
I don’t see how giving minutes to Wes/Martell is the solution.
Let’s see what we have with Beas, see if he can get with the team, or just trade him. He has showed some better D at times this season.
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by ChicagoViking on Feb 21, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
I think we know 85% of what we have with Beast
and at that he is still far and away the best wing on this team
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Then play him
I don’t get it
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by ChicagoViking on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Eh
I think people have this misconception of the Wolves that we need defensive players
I think we really need good scorers. Barnes is barely an upgrade in PER
Last night showed me that until we have a better option Beasley is one of the 5 guys I most trust (let’s not confuse this with wholely trust) to put the ball in the basket.
It appears he is assuming a role a little more lately and that seems to be working. I’d just as soon keep him and play this contract out
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
something went weird there
“Barnes is barely an upgrade in PER (however his WS/48 is much higer)”
sorry that is what I meant
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Barnes is a significant offensive and defensive upgrade:
This year:
Barns: TS% .546, eFG% .479, TRB% 12.1, AST% 12.1, STL% 1.7, BLK% 2.5, ORtg: 109, Drtg 99, WS 2.0, WS/48 .147, WP/48 .204
Beas: TS% .486, eFG% .462, TRB% 11.4, AST% 7.7, STL% 1.17, BLK% 1.0, ORtg: 94, Drtg 102, WS 0.6, WS/48 .049, WP/48 .010
Barnes is statistically a significant offensive upgrade
because he is not asked to do anything offensively
We still need a guy to score. Sure we need a guy to hit open jumpers, which Barnes can do….but that will not solve the problem completely.
I actually am not against getting Matt Barnes I think Beasley is not the guy to trade for him though. If the Lakers would take Beasley I’m not sure why they wouldn’t also take Martell or Wes (or both)
Beasley is the one wing that appears to be getting better (or at least less bad) I think he’s the guy I’d keep out of hte bunch at least for the remainder of the season
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Sure we need a guy to hit open jumpers, which Barnes can do….but that will not solve the problem completely.
No. That will solve the problem completely.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
well what's the problem?
if the problem is merely getting into the playoffs then you are probably right.
if the problem is being a legitimate threat in the West I will continue to disagree. We are one move away from being a legitimate threat, but if we blow that move (i.e. what we choose to do with Derrick Williams) we will probably seal our fate as a bottom half playoff team for the next 4 years of Love.
I think Matt Barnes will help, but I do not believe he is any sort of “final piece”
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'm mostly staying out of this
But I will say that your expectations/desires are not realistic. The kind of player you are hoping for is not available, no matter how many trade machine scenarios are cooked up. Matt Barnes is more realistic as a target, and would probably make this team better.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 21, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
disagree
I think Evan Turner, Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo would be exactly the kind of player that would thrive in this role and are all relatively gettable
Rudy Gay is another guy I would seriously seriously look at (if Memphis regrets the contract)
This player does not need to shoot 20 shots a game….but absolutely I think we need 1 perimeter guy to be able to produce with nothing.
Rubio helps to mask this, but the fact that he is yet not a legit scoring threat in my mind means we need to get another perimeter guy who has at least the threat to score on his own
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think Evan Turner, Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo would be exactly the kind of player that would thrive in this role and are all relatively gettable
Oh Voodoo.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I might be excessive with the love I have for my guys
But I don’t believe I am wrong
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And that's why I got caught dealing blow
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, that's not it.
It’s that they’re three very different players, that two of them aren’t “relatively gettable,” that two of them don’t really fill our need, etc.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say Turner and Mayo are both gettable
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Mayo: RFA and not starting and Memphis has money committed to ToneyAllen who plays the same position
Turner: Not starting and on a team full of guards that like to shoot. Not that Phillyis dying to trade him, but I can’t imagine he is off the table considering the situation
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Right
but a player being available, and a player being gettable by the Minnesota Timberwolves, are different.
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's fair
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Just because they dont start doesnt mean they are gettable
Harden and Manu dont start and they are about the last people on their respective teams that are going to get traded.
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I really do think that a lot of CHers forget
that once word is out on a player, they’re not going to be available, or at least not affordable.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
which is why
Evan Turner and OJ Mayo are good bets right now….word isn’t quite out on them, could “possibly” get them
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I really don't understand your logic.
We get a player who is better on both ends but the problem is we need someone to score? Barnes is just better than Beas, Webster and much much better than Wes we don’t need players that can just score, those players are easy to find we need guys that can play the wing positions at least at an average level, Barnes fits that bill. He makes us a much better team right away, with Barnes all we’re missing is sg.
"We still need a guy to score."
We have 2 of the most efficient scorers in the league in Love and Pek. What we don’t need is another guy who shoots a lot. We need guys that can make shots when needed.
We really don’t need that “alpha” volume scorer. We need low usage, efficient scorers.
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
with those two efficient scorers
we still are having trouble breaking 100 pts in a basketball game, with overtime included (also we didn’t really score in general in that overtime)
I’ll take Matt Barnes as a player on this sure.
Volume is a massively underrated aspect of basketball, granted the examples of bad volume players are scary….but I can not stress enough the value a guy would have that can score by way of creating for himself on this team
That’s why I love the Evan Turner idea. He doesn’t appear to be a chucker (which is nice) but at the same time he does appear to have many qualities I am looking for in that perimeter scorer that can create for himself.
I don’t nessecarily need a guy to shoot 20 times a game in this role…but it’s a mistake to think we don’t need another guy that can create his own shot
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
"with those two efficient scorers we still are having trouble breaking 100 pts in a basketball game, with overtime included"
Doesn’t that sort of ignore that one of those 2 guys played 15 minutes and then left injured?
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
good observation
Wed 01 vs Indiana L 99-109
Fri 03 @ New Jersey W 108-105
Sat 04 vs Houston W 100-91
Tue 07 vs Sacramento W 86-84
Wed 08 @ Memphis L 80-85
Fri 10 vs Dallas L 97-104
Sat 11 vs New York L 98-100
Mon 13 @ Orlando L 89-102
Wed 15 vs Charlotte W 102-90
Fri 17 @ Houston W 111-98
Sun 19 vs Philadelphia W 92-91
Mon 20 @ Denver L 101-103
this is the month of Feb which I believe Pek and Love have started all of it togethr
4 games above 100 3 games under 90, most games in the 90s
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Because our wings can't hit open shots!
We don;t need a creator as much as we just need NBA caliber wings that can play off our Big 3.
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What we don't want is a guy taking shots from 2 of the most efficient players in the game.
A Marvin Williams type is ideal. Lower usage, but he hits his shots.
We’re 4th in the league in FTAs. We get to the line a ton – if we had wings that could just hit open shots, our offense would be Top 5 easily.
yeah I don't disagree with this take
I still think your misconception of my take is that i want a gunner. Which I don’t nessecarily want a gunner, but someone that can score when Rubio isn’t playing well or Love isn’t playing well
I think between the two wings my preference would be that one of them be the Batum/Williams/Reddick quality and the other have a little more takeover ability in the Mayo/Turner/Gay/Gordon kind
also of the four guys the latter category…it’s not like these four are “chuckers” they are good basketball players that can score within the flow of an offense. Of all of them Gay is probably the closest thing to a chucker, but the all have done a good job in the past 18 months of being the exact player i am talking about—okay not getting 25 shots a game, but they know there will probably be 10 games a year where their team needs them to shoot a lot (and make a lot) and they do with pretty sound efficiencey.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I just don;t think we want a wing that needs the ball in his hands
to be effective. That will actually be detrimental – unless hess a super stud.
Give me Marvin at SF and a SG that can just defend and hit an open shot and we’re not just a playoff team, but contenders.
Just checked the numbers again.
We’re currently 5th in Free Throw rate.
We’re 23rd in 3pt%
We’re 21st in FG%
We just can;t shoot from outside. That’s what is killing us.
by Simitar on Feb 21, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But how much of this
is Rubio?
We rely so heavily on he and Love do S@#$. Even with Pekavic playing awesome, we still need Rubio to basically do everything. Do you know how easier Rubio’s job would be if we got an OJ Mayo even to be like “hey rubio, take a breather here. for this play, or this stretch of plays the entireity of our offense does not rest on your shoulders” but then when Rubio is busy being Rubio Mayo is a scorer we can trust to finish open shot given too him by our dynamic duo
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
....what?
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a volume poster
they can’t all be gold. You can have your low usage, efficient posters, but there is something to be said for the guy who will post when there’s nothing to say.
by dropstep on Feb 21, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I don't deny this
I keep the conversation going.
People get annoyed when I post a “trade scenario” thread but they almost always lead to +100 comments
on off days it’s good to have a guy like me around
this sounds pretty similar to my take one why it is nice to have 1 good volume guy….on off days it’s good to have them around
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
blah
Or we could just have a 6’7 better defensively and a better passing of him version who is less of a chucker named Evan Turner
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
So a player who's nothing like Barea or a volume scorer?
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
good basketball player who can score
I need to come up with a better term than volume
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I don't want to be an a-hole, but it needs to be said.
When a large chunk of those 100+ comments are:
1) explanations of why the idea isn’t mildly plausible
2) corrections of factually inaccurate information
3) the original poster responding to themselves
The number of comments becomes pretty worthless.
That said I don’t what anyone to stop posting. Just don’t hang your hat on 100+ comments.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
ahaha
i’m hanging my hat.
43 points is 43 points even if it took 20 long 2’s to get there!!!!!!!
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
So you're Al Harrington?
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Paul Mcphereson
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcphepa01/gamelog/2001/
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I have given Voodoo a lot of crap.
But it takes two to tango, and the girls are still lining up to dance.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
I completely deserve the crap I get too
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
the beauty of this volume poster comment
is it got me out of having to explain a comment that didn’t make any sense lol
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
PA 100...
offers some support for your argument here…
Barnes is rocking a -0.71 PA 100 largely because he cannot create on offense (-1.68 shots created 100)
HOWEVER…
Beasley is worse on both counts (PA100 = -2.48 and SC100 = -1.84), so given the obvious defensive upgrade, Barnes for Beas would be a steal.
Using PA 100, do you find
any underutilized talents?
One guy that seems to jump out with a variety of advanced stats is Jeremy Evans at Utah. He can’t hit threes (or at least he doesn’t try to), and I know nothing about him, but he’s produced in the minutes he’s been given.
not sure what you mean.
The metric likes Evans (PA100 = 0.99)… His benefit comes almost completely from his superior execution at the rim. He earns the Jazz 3.27 points every 100 possession just by executing with excellent efficiency at the rim. He loses points in almost every other category.
Just looking for guys whose productivity suggests
that they should be getting more minutes. I thought it might be a way of identifying relatively low-cost free agent and trade targets.
I haven't scoured a ton...
some interesting guys I have noticed though….
PA 100 loves Lou Williams, and has for several years. He has a PA100 of 6.05 (better than guys like Durant, LMA, and Westbrook)
PA 100 hates Jason Kidd. He rated as the biggest anchor on Dallas last season and is sporting a PA100 of -3.94 right now… not something expected to fall out of the model.
a quick look at SFs and SGs, some guys to target:
Marvin Williams (1.75)
Dunleavy (1.74)
Novak (1.18)
Dudley (1.12)
Tmac (1.08)
A. Gee (0.99)
Ben Gordon (0.47)
Vince Carter (1.91)
Thanks
If I knew we couldn’t get anyone else (e.g., Batum), I might actually take on Ben Gordon and his contract. As it is, I’ll stick with the hope that we can land someone better.
Vj
What’s Evan Turner’s score?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
If I remember right
it is positive but not overly high in positive territory like 1.0 or something
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
PA100 = 0.33
His + passing and decent ball-handling make him a positive creator (SC100 = 0.77). His ability to knock down jumpers and finish at the rim competes with his crappiness from range and inability to draw fouls in terms of execution (SE100 = 0.75).
can u explain....
how he is not able to draw fouls but is good at getting to the rim?
cause i have been curious about this as well. When I watch him it appears like he is good at attacking the rim, but Simitar points out he’s only shooting like 3 FTA’s per 36…which is lowish
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
don't know...
I know Rose had the same knock for awhile. Some guys shift and avoid contact while others actively seek it out.
" Some guys shift and avoid contact"
Allow me to present Michael Beasley…
I would do Beasley for a 2nd round pick plus cash in a heart beat
for 2 reasons:
1 – We will not be resigning Beasley as FA – the experiment with him as a 3 I believe is over. Might as well get something for him as I believe the Lakers have a bunch of 2nd round picks the next few years – take the best one.
2 – His presents on the roster gives us 3 players trying to fit into 1 position (the 4) and the odd man out is Williams. If Beasley’s gone, Williams gets the 20+ min every game that he absolutely needs right now.
Call Mitch – do the deal.
by Just A Fan on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hmmm for a second round and picks I would give any of
Tolliver, Webster, Johnson, Beasley, Ellington, Randolph, Darko.
Cool, way to get rid of the one wing who can hit an outside shot on this team.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I just don’t see the point of trading the one guy who you could make an argument for starting at the 3 right now for a 2nd round pick. If it was for Barnes and a 2nd round pick, maybe.
But I don’t think the Lakers would do that.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I don't really care about trading him, yes he's the best of the worst but he's still bad.
If trading Beas can’t get us the exception to maybe absorb someone who can actually play like Marvin Williams, then I’m all for it. It’s only pointless if they do nothing with it.
this is not a bad call
Beasley for Williams
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
That's a steal for us.
Williams would be a perfect fit. He plays defense, he knocks down 3s, he can finish on the break. He doesn’t need a high usage.
Ideal guy to put with Pek, Love and Rubio.
"He is "long and athletic" is anyone is."
So your saying he’s already on Kahn’s radar.
he's productive though
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html
I like this deal
for pure financial reasons it might even be possible , maybe toss a pick or two in
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=853gz9y
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Love Williams on this team
Still need a 2 who can create something imo, but he would be part of the solution.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd much rather roll with Turner
but Lou is good
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I agreee
I’d take the less efficient player in Turner though, roll with upside and roll with the better defender/size for a 2 guard aspect of it though
Williams is indeed insane, a 6-2 SG posting a .225 WS/48 is redonk
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I realize that we are all on Martell for his decision, but
It wasn’t JUST that. Lets not forget Luke missing a practically uncontested layup with 1 or 2 minutes left in OT (to which Web’s decision would never have happened). Or not one hitting a shot or getting to the line in the first 3 minutes of OT. Or (going out on a limb here) the 21-4 or so run in the 2nd qtr.
We had soooooooo many opportunities to win this game, So many chances to win it close, and some chances to blow the game wide open – and blew them all.
Believe it or not, its these types of losses that a team can learn from. This may be one of those games where they look back and say “lets not pull another Denver.”
While it is fairly frustrating to go through a loss like this, I firmly believe its these losses that can propel a team forward.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
Team effort on this loss for sure
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
How they respond to this one on Wednesday against Utah is big.
Lots of pressure on that game now, I think.
Are you highlighting the fact that Martell played in the 2nd quarter
for about 7 minutes when the Wolves lead dropped from 12 points to 3 points, so it wasn’t just the bone-headed play at the end that sealed it? He also helped the Wolves lose in the 2nd quarter alongside Beasley and Tolliver when they took about 10 consecutive jump shots and gave up 7 lay-ups. I hadn’t watched the 2nd quarter, so I appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
still a bad ass
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Feb 21, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Pek update
Nikola Pekovic referred to his ankle injury as a “regular sprain.”Ankle sprains often swell and get worse overnight, so Pekovic isn’t out of the woods yet. But the fact that the original diagnosis is a simple sprain means an extended absence is a longshot right now. If Pekovic sits on Wednesday, he’ll have a full week to rest thanks to the All-Star break. Feb 21 – 3:02 PM
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 21, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
The Jazz game
could be really ugly if he sits. The Jazz are among the peskiest, most physical defenders we’ve faced this year, and we need all the easy points we can get.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Easy points?
I would argue the team chef that has to prepare Pek’s four whole chickens at each timeout would disagree
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not if the team chef
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
And a coke.
Who gets the dry white toast? Darko?
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Has to be Darko.
He’s on a mission from God.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
(Oh, wait. That's Tolliver and Luke.)
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Martell should take a lesson from Areatha...
and “Think”!
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
good thing I wasn't the only one who thought of this
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Voodmagic trade of the day--who says no?
Minnesota: Batum, Evan Turner and Elton Brand (contract dumping)
La Lakers: Williams, Beasley, Ridnour, Meeks
Philly: Pau Gasol, Darko, Wes, Elliot Williams
Portland: Nikola Vucecivc and Matt Barnes (maybe a draft pick or two if they get the short end of the stick.)
La gets a pretty good haul for Gasol, basically they now have a C/PF combo under 24 to build around and two spot up shooters for Kobe and the expiring contract of Beasley
Philly gets the best player in the deal plus they lose Brand’s contract (they take on Gasol’s but he is more worthy of 20 million a year)
Portland gets a super solid young center for Batum (salaries needing to match up make it tough to get any vet for Batum)
Minnesota obviously makes this deal even having to take on Brand’s contract (which is only 2 years longer, but they move Darko and Wes’ deal meaning Brand’s contract shouldn’t effect their ability to resign Batum—as they also have his bird rights now—and Brand’s deal will be up the same time Pekavic’s is up)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think the Wolves might be the only team that says yes.
Portland and Philly hang up that phone call pretty quickly.
The Lakers might consider it
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well...
If Portland isn’t going to resign Batum this is a pretty solid prospect to get in return no? Vucevic is pretty bomb by just about any metric I can find.
I think Philly is probably the team that says no…but they are getting a serious upgrade in post production and offense when they need both pretty badly
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be shocked if Portland doesn't resign Batum.
They only have 41M committed next year – and it drops to 26M w/o options.
2013 it drops to 28/22.
They’re in really good salary shape for the future. They aren’t going to let a 23 year-old stud go.
I just don't get why they wouldn't already have resigned him
if that were the case?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Portland is playing games
with the cap. He has a low hold number on their cap come the offseason. By not signing him to an extension now they get some extra wiggle room for offseason maneuvering. Portland mgmt had made it pretty clear that they would only resign Nic for their lowball offer. Nic has been miffed, and playing awesome, ever since.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
Correct.
They are also allowing the market to set his price instead of competing against themselves.
I don't disagree
they want the market to set the price….It feels like Batum is gettable as an RFA in this setting though? Right?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
No.
Because unless we drastically overpay, Portland will match.
that's the stratgey I am referring too
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
But how much do you overpay?
To the point that we have to make a decision on Rubio vs Pek?
Can we handle 15M to Love and Rubio, and 13M or so to Batum and Pek?
considering Wolves history with spending money
it’s probably safiest to overpay Batum and give Love/Rubio/Pek/Batum all big money so we aren’t tempted to spend it on anyone else
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
The point is to overpay to the point of them crippling their franchise
My favorite Kahn move was wining and dining Gay. Memphis felt forced to overpay and they did it. It was sort of the Star Wars strategy for the cold war.
On the flip side, we’re still waiting for that competent SG
by midlife crisis on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
for as much as that is a big contract
would that not be an awesome contract to have on our team?
Gay would dominate with Rubio and Love
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Gay & Love on the same team
The people that make ESPN headlines would be all over that!
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
then we gotta get Favors too
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Then Cousins
Gay Love Favors Cousins. Cousins Love Gay Favors. Love Gay Cousins Favors.
The headlines write themselves!
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
We already have Johnson.
Go after Harden?
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
love it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Gay Cousin Harden Love Johnson?
May need some “s-es” in there to make it work.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Puns aside, outside of Wes
That’s a pretty nice lineup.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well if you get Magic out of retirement
Hes better than Wes at both Puns and Basketball
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Trade Johnson for Ramon Sessions
Gay Cousin Harden Love Sessions
"This year we got more more more fun than last year" - Nikola Pekovic
I never thought gay love sessions would be beaten
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Food for thought
I understand the desperation for improved wing talent, but when you look at the how good Ricky and Love are, I don’t want to settle for a solid wing. Or a capable wing. I want another superstar to go with them. Then we have a chance to do some some damage.
Remember this when Denver, Philly, Indy, Utah and all the other “solid” but not built on star teams crumble in the playoffs. I don’t want that to be us. We will be facing Durant and Westbrook for the next decade. And that’s just in the West. We need big firepower.
My point is when you look at cap money, it needs to be spent wisely.
The one huge benefit coming out of this lack of wing production, is it is forcing Love and Rubio to carry the team. They can’t hide behind a vet. They have to figure out now. They are being toughened up for the future. This will pay off later.
Who is available though?
Maybe Lee will become amazing
please become amazing
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's part of the reason for the inaction
It’s not like there are amazing guys on the market. Maybe at the deadline something will pop up.
Wolves don't require an amazing wing player to make an amazing improvement
Wes Johnson is sooo bad that replacing him with a slightly below-average player will make huge difference. It would be amazing.
It’s like playing in a two on two tournament with your grandma and then having your 13 year old cousin replace her.
Is your 13-year old cousin any good? NO. Can she run up and down the court and get in people’s way? Yes.
She is an amazing improvement over grandma.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
I don't want a below-average player
I’m willing to wait for a genuine long-term fix.
why not release wes johnson and sign a below-average player to a 10-day contract
this below-average player is waaaay better than wes johnson. There is no reason to wait.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
And I'm with you about Lee
The more I analyze the team (another bonus of nothing happening), as someone said above, we need a great shooter. Any young Ray Allen’s out there?
I really like Malcolm Lee
I think he has an excellent chance to be like Evan Turner….and people should note that I mean that in every way i.e. he’s probably never going to be a dead eye three point shooter….he’ll hit open shots…but he’s not gonna be that cold blooded type
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I turned the game off at the half. I was disgusted by the YMCA execution and rebounding effort that gave Denver a 17 point advantage in the quarter.
I’m glad I did. Overtime because a team makes a come back and hits shots is one thing, but overtime because the two team miss the last 5 shots in regulation and don’t score for the first 3 minutes and 8 seconds of overtime. No thanks.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Question
Can Dwill be any worse at the 3 than Wes? Why not start him and see what he can do. Might actually be able to hit a shot or two.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd look for some All-Star break changes
Where they’ll have a chance to practice.
Release the Lion!
Here’s hoping we can at least find out.
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by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
My wife's experience of the game
She had gone to bed (a floor away). I woke her twice…
First with a eurphoric, “Rubio!” She thought “good, they won.”
Later she heard, “What are you doing?!” She thought, “Oh, no.”
Rodman...
Doesnt have wives. I call lie.
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
the empathetic stomach virus
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
It was a fun game to watch
If you are going to enjoy the Philly game end, you have to endure a few nut crunchers too.
Fans have only endured mental nut crunchers
Love has endured physical nut crunchers to boot. So we got that going for us
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by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Darko? Is that you?
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
THE NEXT GAME IS THE BIGGEST IN 5 YEARS!!!
.500 baby
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The good news is that, even with our loss, Utah also lost
which moves us out of the basement in the Northwest division and into the 10th spot in the West. A win on Wednesday would confirm that move
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we would head into the all-star break at .500
sadly that’s an amazing thought as a TWolves fan.
It really is amazing considering what the consensus was at the start of the year
Huge improvement.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I am happy with the upward tick
maybe even happy that the next step — some good wing play — seems to be the obvious next step instead of just 1 of many steps still needed.
Last year it was — new coach, wings, Center, PG
They have addressed a lot — best coach for Wolves ever, Love has actually improved, Rubio is as good as could have been imagined, and Pek has emerged.
I’d rather be frustrated by being close (as gamified last night) than frustrated by being hopeless
signature
by ChicagoViking on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Paul Allen needs to quit with this Wolves playoff talk
He’s like a walking human jinx. Can we take his radio show away from him and give it to Justin Gaard or somebody like that?
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Gaard needs to grow up on the anti-biker talk.
There’s like 20 colleges in the twin cities and gas is damn near 4 a gallon.
It’s a necessity. Gonna get someone hurt.
by fanslaststand on Feb 21, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Totally, that's a classic troll radio thing.
Every year or so, Dan B will dust off something like “Boy, people who drive slow in the left lane! What’s up with them?” It’s lazy.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Y, it's more of a radio bit at this point.
And Dan’s real view is fairly nuanced and not anti biker. That said there is no question they are contributing to the hostility.
Bike – Car debate can get outta control on here so lets just close it up by saying everyone get where you’re going safely and help others do the same.
by fanslaststand on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly. Be good citizens. Don't post any illegal feeds on the roadways.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
NBA Geek has a nice article about Pek today.
Listed categories for the article: “Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves, Most Improved, Peksecutioner”
Espn has a most improved team, Pek's on it.
“The players we would be talking about if it wasn’t for Lin” blah
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thorough article, but one thing is really bothering me.
Note that some of these WP48 numbers are a bit inflated, since Pek spends quite a bit of time at the center position, but he’d still be fantastic even if we treated him as a full-time center.
Pek continues to be listed in databases as a PF, and the NBA Geek seems to have bought into this as well. Pek has played zero seconds at the PF position this season, and I don’t remember him playing any PF last season. I don’t know where this is coming from. It’s weird.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they are thinking Pek's tat
is playing Center along side Pek at PF?
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Patrick from thenbageek
Said he gets his positional assignments from Yahoo I think.
They can't count two seconds.
Which is about the longest Pek is out of the paint
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
They always get positions wrong
on non-playoff contenders. It’s like you don’t exist or get your page proofed unless you’re winning games and playing on TNT and ESPN.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Anybody have any tips for tomorrow night's 3-point contest?
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit nervous…
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On the last one,
go in for a dunk.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
do it, Tim
even if it’s a lay up, hilarious! You might get banned from press row.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Sorry - I missed it. Is this a fan contest?
A few basic tips
- Start by bending your knees. Get your power from your legs
- Start with the ball by your chest
- Ball on your finger tips not palm
- Fix your eyes on the spot where you want the ball to go (some choose front rim – some back)
- Start jumping straight up with your legs. Don’t fade backward and rob power.
- Keep your shooting arm elbow pointing down towards the floor
- Do not use your off arm to help push/guide the ball. Your off hand should be on the side of the ball just steadying it during delivering. Do all the work with your shooting arm.
- Extend your shooting arm.
- At the end flick your shooting hand towards the hoop and then down
- When practicing I’d suggest starting at the free throw line and then moving back
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
If you think about all these things during your shot
You’ll shoot just like Wes Johnson.
by Rodman99 on Feb 21, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I'd hate to see the advanced list of tips!
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lastly, avoid wardrobe malfunctions
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
years from now, someone will be heard saying
were you at the “Boogie Nights” game?
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
What is this 3pt contest for? Is the real Tim Allen going to be hosting?
But yeah, is it during halftime or something?
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I like how people say "the real Tim Allen"
like I’m a hologram or something.
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well this is awkward
I was under the impression you were
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, Do you keep in contact with Al Borlan?
%
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Once he started hosting Family Feud, we fell out of touch
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
steve kerr says
shooters just shoot. don’t think, just shoot.
Don't miss
Make us proud
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Broussard says Mavs looking to trade Roddy Beaubois
They have been trying to play him at PG when he really is a SG.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
do we have anything they want lol?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83wk3ga
a salary dump is probably the best we could do
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I was thinking Tolliver,
since he’s an expiring and might be useful this year. But the $$ don’t work.
They want to dump salary because
they think they can get Howard. Could be useful for us. I’m not sure they’d take a 3yr contract back, especially one of Wes’s contract. However, 3yr-8m (Marion) for 3yr-4m (Johnson) may just do it.. Save 4mil a year, get a SF in return to replace Marion.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
It also says they want him to fill the Barea role.
Can we send them Barea back for Roddy Buckets?
Simitar, what we should just do
is the moves we both agree on should be the ones that actually happen
in this thread alone we’d move Beasley for Williams and Barea for Beaubois
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
the great thing about these two moves
is i’m pretty sure CH Nation would all agree with them.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
CH Nation is never in unanimous agreement about anything.
I think the Wolves could make a Wes/Darko/Beasley-for-LeBron trade and there would be at least one person who found fault with the deal.
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haha lame
Can’t see how anyone could argue getting Williams and Roddy for Beasley Barea and a pick
but I guess you are probably right :-p
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'm not saying I'd argue it. I'd be in favor of the deal.
Just saying that CH Nation is fully of very different opinions.
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I know
When I’m at work sometimes my responses are less developed
which someone might argue my responses are never very well developed so maybe I am at work all the time, or just not very smart…..
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
"LeBron can't score in the fourth. Pass."
Reminds me of
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahhaha
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Why does this remind me of Comic Book Guy on The Simpsons?
I can imagine Comic Book Guy saying that text in his voice too.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take any of these players over Wes (in no order)
Rodney B
Kapono
Jerry Stackhouse, ATL
J.J. Redick,
Marcus Thornton,
Nick Young,
Alec Burks
Courtney Lee
Anthony Morrow
Ben Gordon,
DeMar DeRozan,
Shannon Brown,
Jason Kapono
Raja Bell,
Marco Belinelli,
Daniel Gibson,
Marquis Daniels,
Matt Carroll,
Roger Mason,
DeShawn Stevenson,
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
and many, many more
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I would add an automatic basketball shooting machine on this list
to replace Wes. A machine, like a tennis ball shooter, that just sits in the corner and dials in on the rim.
Could be liability on defense though.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Devean George
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Jared Dudley
Chase Budinger
Linas Kleiza
Tracy McGrady
C.J. Miles
Reggie Williams,
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute,
Rasual Butler,
Mo Evans
Steve Novak
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Bea Arthur
Krusty the Clown
The baby from the E*Trade commercials
The entire cast of Glee
Renaldo Balkman
ew, I'd cut Balkman from that list
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
I'm torn on Krusty the Clown or Balkman
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
This Wolves team needs Jared Dudley
If I kept a list of “guys” like VM, Dudley would be right up the top of it. He’s perfect as a swingman starter for us. If you need a reason to be annoyed at Jeremy Lin, try that it’s now hard to facilitate the Nash trade to New York. Sigh.
T'Wolves 2012: My Kingdom For A Wing
I so desperately wanted to do the 2nd pick, Darko and Beasley
for Dudley and Gortat before the draft, but I don’t think Phoenix would have gone for it.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Your sign line.
The Wolves are like a reasonably decent meal served with empty drink glasses alongside it.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Steak, good vegetables
No drinks, three sporks but no knife, served on an upside down laundry basket.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 22, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There is probably a new CH tag line in there somewhere
Like “Trying to cut NBA steak with a spork”
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This got a laugh outta me...
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Players I'd give a try-out to
Reggie Miller
Steve Kerr
John Hornacek
Tim Legler
Shane Heal
Chris Mullin
Glen Rice
Hubert Davis
Craig Hodges
and many, many more
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
John Hornacek? Where's my mind....
Jeff*
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Sign Kerr.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Julie Hornacek over Wes.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Most of these guys can probably still drain jumpers like no one's business
Too bad they can’t be on the floor like old NFL kickers
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take a basketball card of any of these guys over Wes...
and it wouldn’t even have to be autographed.
Oh, and I’d throw Hersey Hawkins, Dale Ellis, Rickey Pierce, Dell Curry and The Mayor, Freddie Hoiberg, on yer list, too!
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
(How bad a comparison is Hersey Hawkins for Mayo now?)
That was the compare I made when Mayo was a rookie. Some of Mayo’s bigger backers at the time were miffed, felt it was an underselling of their guy.
For their two whole careers, Hersey’s looking a good bit better.
Through the same first four years that Mayo’s played, again, Hawkins is a better shooter. That’s the difference.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Hersey's better, no question
It’s really amazing how far hype and a posse will take you.
That's the same comparison I made when Mayo was a rookie!
And people did get upset. But I think that shows just how underrated Hersey was.
He was.
You look at Hawkins’s assist and steals numbers over time, for example, and it’s clear he was a smart player. People think of him as a shooter proper, but he was much more well-rounded.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
I have a not so secret secret interest in Demar Derozan
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I mean I wouldn't trade Williams to get him
but if there was a BeasleyDerozan swap I don’t think it would be the worst experiment in the world
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
but
A) We’re not sinking
and
B) at least Derozan doesn’t play a position that we have 90 people at
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
let's just say
I would not expect that to be the answer but I am interested in it to an extent
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
If the Wolves' wing position is not the definition of "sinking"
then I’m not sure what is…unless you mean sinking shots, which they haven’t been able to do since the Titanic was still above water.
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by TimAllen on Feb 21, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i more so meant our team isn't sinking
our team is rising and in need of good wing play. if nothing else an experiment couldn’t hurt as long as it’s put in persepective (like say acquire both Reddick and Derozan to hedge the bet or something)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
What is the point of experimenting with an idea that will likely not work?
That’s just wasting time.
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We need good wing production that's the reason you don't add DeRozan, no experiment necessary.
DeRozan is so bad I’d much rather keep Beasley.
Beasley for Derozan isn't even possible given the salaries
but if you add Wes for Barbosa, you would have to do it just to add the 1.3 Million in salary cap room it would give you so that you can actually address the wing issue in the offseason with Batum. If Kahn is going to make a deal, it needs to be one that opens more cap space. Barbosa and Derozan for Beasley and Wes would do that. I would absolutely make that deal, but I am not sure you can talk Toronto into it.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 21, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well its not sinking
Its already sunk, these guys are the absolute worst. Can really go downhill from here
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 21, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Voodoo "Cruise Director" Magic, we'll call you.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
Since I love replying to vjl110
Beasley’s WP48 broken down into the 1st and 2nd quarter of the season:
Beasley through our 1st 16 games of the season, he played 7:
7 GP, 222 MP, -0.54 Wins, WP48: -0.117 (HORRIBLE)
The next 17 games of the season, he played 15:
15 GP, 358 MP, 0.73 Wins, WP48: 0.098 (AVERAGE)
Basically the new Beasley after the injury is playing like an average SF as far as WP48 is concerned. This is great “small sample size” news! :)
Overall:
22 GP, 580 MP, 0.19 Wins, WP48: 0.016 (BAD)
So he’s bad, but trending to average…
I have actually been pretty happy with Beas lately...
He seems to be getting the boards he should and making nice simple plays in the offense. Can’t complain.
My PA 100 numbers are a bit behind, I will see how Beas looks at the AS break soon. I am guessing he has improved.
I hope they back up what I have been seeing
Beasley appears to be giving us (or at least trying to give us) what we want out of him, he still takes a bad shot here and there….but most of his shots are pretty much within an offensive set.
I’ve been liking it, but I’m also a Beasley bobo
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Ha!
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
You seem to really want to
“poke fun at me” or something. I’d hoped you were smart enough to catch the fact that I don’t mind poking fun at myself in the titles of my posts, maybe I’m wrong though…
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
You have, what, 70+ posts on this thread alone?
Yes, you obviously don’t take yourself that seriously, but don’t you think, good guy or not, good intent or not, you might induce a little bit of fatigue on the reader? Shit, I’m tired of my own shtick on this thread. I’ve gotten sucked back into my Brewer-bashing after thinking I’d never have to walk that road again.
Do you think that if you poke fun at yourself in your threads that no one else can poke fun at you. I appreciate that you are able to convey intent at being good natured about it, but you’re not buying immunity.
Yeah?
Well the jerk store called and their all out of you!
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
damn screwed the line up
“they’re all out of you”
that’s what I should have said!!!!!!
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Watchout!
Dropstep will correct grammar. Its a hermie thing.
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
But I won't!
Unless I lose control for a moment. I’m much better, though!
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot the diacritical mark
on Pek’s first name in your sig line.
(If picky picky is what you’re after….)
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I was with you on DeMar during his early season mirage
Now that he’s regressed to having the worst year of his career, I think I’m off that bandwagon.
I'd take a cardboard cutout of Wes
over the real Wesley Johnson
by lordbaldric on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
It would have to have one of those Monty Python moveable mouths.
To give the smile haters some relief.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
A white castle bathroom for plus cash for Wes
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
^typo, but it's about trading Wes so nobody cares.
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Zgoda: i'll say it's 80 percent they make some kind of deal but I don't think it's guaranteed it'll be for a SG
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
(bangs head against wall)
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I call Nikola Pekovic and Luke Ridnour for Steve Blake, Luke Walton and a 2nd
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I know you kid
But Love, Pek and Rubio are the only 3 players guaranteed to be here after March 15.
AR, Beasley, Wes, and Ridnour, most likely gone.
Misspoke, don't mean they will all be gone
But the most actively shopped.
So your saying there's a chance!?!?!
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T80H57kkCDY&feature=related
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
what else is there lol?
unless it’s SF I don’t see what the hell we need to trade for
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
for the record if it's a SF that is fine
I do love the Malcolm Lee mystique and I’m praying beyond all hope that the one reason we aren’t super hot after 2 guard’s is because everyone is secretly in love with Lee
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
haha, Martell is on the front page of Yahoo!
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
Its been said many times in this thread,
but there were many things that the entire roster did wrong that helped us lose the game. Ideally, we shot ourselves in the foot to even put ourselves in that position (i.e. Luke missing wide open layup), but its the Martell getting all the negative press.
Rippable? Absolutely. But Its too bad he is being singled out.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
by Skat the Rat on Feb 21, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
James Anderson requested a trade from the Spurs.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 4:08 PM CST reply actions
wes for James Anderson
total Per=11
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Wow. You have to question whether you'd want a guy who, in
his second season (after missing most of his first due to injury), wants to be traded away from a team that has just won 11 in a row.
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True. And if the Spurs can't do anything with him, what shot would we have?
Realistic option, though.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 21, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
we also have room to play him
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Of course he'd shoot much better and make fewer mistakes if he was a Wolf.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
On an unrelated note:
Odd event at the Orlando Magic game the other day: Suspicious Looking duffel bag spotted on Magic bench
by skelman on Feb 21, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Boy that was such a bad trade for them.
We said so at the time, Bass is just a better player. Never understood that one, except as Dwight Howard requesting something. Which, if you think about it, is pretty painful for Orlando. D12 is maybe going to leave with the idea that the Magic haven’t built around him, but there he was, asking to deal a better player for Big Baby.
The outlines of certain well-worn KG plotlines are there.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
I dont know if this has already been talked about
but anyone know how serious the lakers are in getting beasley? I just read the report from chris broussard on espn but it didnt give much for details
There are 2 posts and its talked about here.
Zgoda thinks if there is any truth to it, we’d likely get cash and/or a 2nd round pick.
Can someone please start an argument underneath this comment?
Anything having to do with trades, smiles, 3 point shooting, non-3 point shots, Muskies, sombreros, stadium beer prices, kevin garnett, the lakers, jonny flynn, miliciches or good old ethnic slurs should do the trick
I appreciate your rabble
but offer an unrealistic and disrespectful rebuttal
Good ol ethnic slurs
http://m.youtube.com/?rdm=4phc78cj2&reload=3#/watch?v=REFJxwQPQUY
Jimmy the Greek didn’t get to see this Wolves team. I’m looking forward to SnPs article after Linsanity dies down
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Feb 21, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
angry comment
empty yet vitriolic paragraph
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is impressive
but
it
needs
to
fill
up
more
page
space.
Try
new
paragraphs
and
sub-points.
rabble rabble
fair weather fans rabble rabble wasn’t a foul rabble rabble he clearly looked down before stepping rabble rabble
stats
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
The Wolves would play better
in sombreros than they do wearing the Muskies jerseys.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
Anecdotal support:
At the US Pond Hockey Championships last year, there was a team playing in grass skirts and hats (over their hockey stuff, of course) out on Lake Nokomis. And they were good! I took a few pictures, but never got their team name, so I don’t know if they came back this time around.
This year the team that surprised me most was made up of goalie instructors, all of them on goalie skates. They were elegant skaters, too, really finesse players.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
I love a goofy gimmick that doesn't impede the actual play.
If it made any sense for the Wolves to play in some Catalans costume, that would be awesome.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
That play was bad, but the real crime...
was the haircut.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 22, 2012 3:31 PM CST reply actions
I'm in the final 20 seconds of regulation at the moment.
So far, the terribleness of the officiating has only been matched by the terribleness of the announcing.
Oh, and I love watching Corey play.
"If you’ve got some balls, you can do some stuff"
Also, the irony of this being the first game on League Pass using the
‘Never Miss A Shot’ title card in commercial breaks is beautiful.
"If you’ve got some balls, you can do some stuff"
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