Lakers interested in Beasley
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST
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PrintMichael Beasley: the ultra talented combo-forward the NBA has been waiting on since his high school days. Do you all remember the hype this guy had coming out of K-State? My gosh at one point he was considered as a possible #1 pick over Derrick Rose (how crazy would that have turned the NBA to what it is now?). The dude averaged 26 points and 12 rebounds a game in college. Everyone was all but sure this guy was going to be a dominant NBA player one day.
"Offensively, I've been a big believer in him, I just think he can score. I said it two years ago: I think one day he may lead the league in scoring. He has a Carmelo Anthony ability to score the ball. He's a match-up problem every night, He has quickness and a shot at that size. That makes him tough to guard." —Doc Rivers
Unfortunately none of that has happened for Beasley yet, and with the drafting of D-Will in the off-season, and Beasley's rookie contract expiring at the end of the season, it would seem to me the right move for the organization is to trade him. Beasley will more than likely command big bucks to retain him, as his offensive capabilities could be used by a lot of NBA teams.
According to Chris Broussard, the LA Lakers are interested in acquiring Michael Beasley. This guy has all the tools, but his maturity has been questioned in the past (his pasts dealings with marijuana as well as this outbreak at Rucker Park during the lockout). We will have the right to retain him if we sign him to a qualifying offer, but with D-Will in the wings, is there any point? An even bigger question to this is: what would we get from the Lakers? Pau has been discussed in the past, but if LA is not willing to give him to us, the Lakers really have nobody of interest that I think we could use. What do you all think of this?
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It'd be fine with me.
For Pau or not. If we’re building a contender, I do not think he will be part of it. Can we have Odom? oh wait. Can we have Ariza? oh wait. For what if not Pau?
I like Pau and think he makes us a better team immediately. I would do this in a heartbeat.
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Moved this over from the other thread
did not see you started a new one.
No need for a player off the Laker’s roster – no one there that would help us. I would do Beasley for a 2nd round pick plus cash in a heart beat – letting the Laker’s use their trade exception.
2 reasons:
1 – We will not be resigning Beasley as FA – the experiment with him as a 3 I believe is over. Might as well get something for him as I believe the Lakers have a bunch of 2nd round picks the next few years – take the best one.
2 – His presence on the roster gives us 3 players trying to fit into 1 position (Love, Beasley and Williams all fit the 4 spot) and the odd man out is Williams. If Beasley’s gone, Williams gets the 20+ min every game that he absolutely needs right now. We are starting to damage the value #2 pick in the draft by not playing Williams in a regular manner. With Love set for at least the mid term, we need to start shifting assets away from the 4 and toward some other needs.
Call Mitch – do the deal.
by Just A Fan on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Lakers needing to do damage control with the "Gasol Distraction"
Not sure how having a quality player is a distraction but I digress….
I think they do only one deal and I think Gasol to the Wolves is much more real than we think. Not having to unload Pek or Williams for Gasol is the best thing that could ever happen!
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There is no way its for Pau.
The Lakers will get MUCH better offers for Pau than Beasley (plus all the extra salary crap we’d have to include).
I think they see Beasley as a cheap player to try. If he doesn’t work, they let him walk and they aren;t out anything.
what can we do with a 2nd rounder and cash?
Unless we find 2nd round gems and we somehow are able to get a big-time FA to come here, I don’t see those helping us immediately. We need players that will help us NOW, not later. Thats why I’m saying it’s Pau or bust at this point, unless a third team is thrown in the equation and we get something else out of it, say a good 2-guard
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
2nd rounders are helpful assets
For completing other deals or using ourselves and stashing euros.
Some days I like Beas, some days I don’t. I’ve pretty much grown tired of what Beas will show up every game and now he doesn’t even sport the monster fro so the amusement factor is gone as well.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
For one thing,
it frees up a roster spot, allowing us to sign cheap, short-term help like Bogans (now unavailable), Balkman, or any warm body from the D-League.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
BUT WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US NOW???
We don’t need d-leaguers, we don’t need bench warmers. We need guys that are ready to play now. The transition period between “building” and “competing” is taking it turn toward the “competing” side. I get the logic, and if we were a bad team like we were at this time last year, I’d be all for it. But if we don’t get some kind of talent that we could use right away for Beasley, then what’s the point? The point is to try and flip Beas for more than what we got him for. How many 2nd rounders have we drafted in the last 10 years developed into solid role players in the league? I’m not saying that 2nd rounders aren’t good assets, but we need guys ready to play now, or are really close to turning the page.
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME!!!
Bogans was ready to play now. Balkman is ready to play now. I’m sure the D-League has some dude who can hit threes better than Wes can. On the wing, we only need an absence of terrible, not LeBron.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Obviously not
Bogans and Balkman got cut for a reason. Adding one of those guys isn’t going to make our team better than having Beasley on our team (knowing full well Beas is an inconsistent headcase). Bogans is a good defender on the downslide…thats about it. Balkman….no comment on him. Can’t really believe he came up in the discussion honestly
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
You said yourself in your post
that we have Williams waiting in the wings. He’s already outperforming Beasley. Replace Beasley’s minutes by increasing Williams’ minutes, then sign a wing (yes, including Balkman) to take away Wes’ minutes. I think your rant over-estimates how good Beasley is and underestimates how bad Wes is. It wouldn’t take much to improve things.
by Madison Dan on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
not to pile on but
Beasley doesn’t do much for us except for the rare days that he explodes offensively. Outside of that he’s mostly a liability. A D-leaguer that shoots 35-40% from 3pt and defends is an upgrade from both Johnson and Beasley (and is what I’d been hoping Martel could do but that hasn’t turned out so well).
So why not try to get better than a D-league type player out of Beasley?
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
that's my real problem I want a Batum, Dudley, Budinger, Kevin Martin etc.
but I just don’t think they’re available.
Because no one is going to give up said player for Beasley.
He just doesn’t have value. Its been 2 years since we got him for two 2nd round picks and he;s shown no improvement. And he’s not going to be a “cheap trial” player any longer.
he has no value...
that’s why the Lakers want him. They want to add non-value.
if he had no value, the lakers wouldn’t want him. But i get what you are saying.
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say his primary value is an expiring contract
And if a team like Houston was willing to give up Kevin martin for financial reasons, you pounce on that, otherwise just get rid of him as an addition by subtraction move and save a couple bucks, maybe steal a pick out of the deal
And they're going to offer us virtually no value back.
The rumor is a 2nd round pick.
The only "cheap trial" teams left are those like the Lakers with TPE and no other options to add talent.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I respect your opinion but...
1) Beasley is offensively skilled, but inconsistent. Defensively lacking…for the record. But the guy is 23 years old and there is no reason to think his skills can’t get better. With time and a willingness to grow and mature, I think he has the “potential” to still be a good player in this league.
2) D-Will isn’t ready yet. I guess when i said D-Will “being in the wings” i meant futuristically, like next season. He’s not ready to guard the 3 position yet, he’s still a bit heavy on his feet to keep up. But if he was forced to play that position after trading Beas…then I guess he’s going to have to learn sooner rather than later.
3) Wes does do some nice things defensively, but overall he has disappointed, no doubt. Would I see Bogans as an upgrade over Wes? Not really. He’s a career 39% shooter (35% from 3). I think we are drastically over-stating the value of Bogans. Not much better off with him in the lineup rather than Wes.
Bottom line is Beasley is a headache on the court, but he’s a very talented individual that hasn’t put his game together yet. We can get something out of him
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Re: #3
Johnson is shooting 21% from 3, that 35% from 3 is great plus he’s a better defender.
Can you imagine
how many games we would have won if Wes was a 35% 3 pt shooter over his time here?
by juliancasablancas on Feb 21, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
We would have scored 33 more points this season
or about 1 point per game.
Which you would expect to have cost us a win over the past 35 games.
Luckily he has shot a lot less this season, or the effect would be greater.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
but ricky would have had 11 more assists
and isn’t that really the most important thing?
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.
by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 22, 2012 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
Also,
I’m a fan of the Casablanca’s. Cheers!
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Re: #1
Beas has been in the league for 4 years, 2 as a PF, 2 as a SF. He has actually regressed every year, so he could get better but that doesn’t speak of the right work ethic/training to actually do so. Most players who get better latter in their career just don’t get playing time early, and Beasley has already played 7000 minutes.
by zebano on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
regressed?
Ok I’m not 100% sold on stats judging how a player plays…but haven’t Beasley’s #s until this season stayed pretty darn consistent, even considering his career high in ppg last season?
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
His TS% and eFG% are at career lows.
His Rebounding s are the 3rd lowest of 4 years.
He’s tied for his career low assist
His block and steal %s are career lows.
His turnover % is a career high (meaning the worst)
His PER is at a career low.
I"m not 100% sold on judging players on how they play
by monkeywolf on Feb 21, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
True.
I haven’t watched a play of basketball in my life. I strictly watch box scores. Carmelo Anthony is the best player in the NBA.
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The ONLY way to think Beasley has been getting better,
is by reading box scores and thinking PPG is the “be all, end all”.
Love is 23 as well
He has progressed and worked on his game to be better every season. Beas? Not so much.. Beas has had every opportunity here in Sota and not much to show for it. I really don’t think he’s going to explode in to something different and awesome anytime soon. Too many minutes on his sneakers to say otherwise.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
funny
i never once said was getting better, i just disagreed with the fact that he was getting worse. He’s consistently shot the same from the field (maybe not from 3), consistent 5-6 rebounds/game, mostly consistent in every other stat. Game-by-game it fluctuates way too much, but by season i wouldn’t say he’s getting worse.
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
But he's gotten worse where it matters.
eFG%, TS%.
I don;t care what his PPG or FG% are. They don;t really tell much of a story.
agree...
but to say he’s regressed isn’t completely accurate either
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
In the past few seasons
He was leading in PPG I think? SORRY, MY JOKE WAS DATED. :P
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I'd rather try Gerald Green right now...
But I also would have beat CLE to the punch and signed Manny Harris to a 10 day contract.
Works for me.
Anything to get Wes to the bench (and Green is really shooting the lights out from 3 right now).
It would just be fun to see a change
and to know the front office notices that we need help on the wing, bring on Gerald Green!!! (again!)
Those picks the Lakers have aren't that hot
2012 Chicago 2nd round
2013 Denver (top 40 protected)
2013 Memphis (top 55 protected then extinguished if not used)
What they do have is Dallas’s 2012 first. Top 20 protected through to 2017 then unprotected in 2018. Over the odds for a player like Beasley for sure, but other than that I’d rather have the Lakers 2013 2nd pick.
I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.
Here's a trade...
If Jim Buss likes Beasley.
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Pau to Houston
Martin to MN
Scola, Beasley, Ridnour to LA.
Who says no?
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not me, that's for sure
though I suspect Kobe will either (1) murder or (2) have his sycophant MWP murder Beasley after they’ve spent as much as 13 minutes on the court together. I see no possible scenario where those two coexist.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless." - Kenny Powers
by BrazilYinzer on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think Beas would be walking on eggshells dealing w/ Kobe
I think playing with Kobe could be really good for him. A guy that is a furious leader, doesn’t take any b.s., and expects players to be professionals. I think Beas would learn to accept that over time…..hopefully.
by brandon.crockett on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently...
That’s exactly what the Lakers think- the Kobe will be a good influence on Beasley.
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by HumdingerTV on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
when he thinks, he'd go along
on the court a player needs to be instinctual, and I don’t think Skittles would ever play in a matter which suits Kobe (read: never hold the ball, always pass back to Kobe). I agree the optimistic outcome you described would be great, but I suspect the pessimistic or median outcomes are much more likely, and those would not work out. Beasley had a taste of a demanding alpha-type leader in Riley, and that didn’t go anywhere.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless." - Kenny Powers
by BrazilYinzer on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, Beas and Ridnour for Martin??
Heck yes.
by Jordan Seiffert on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
You can trade Barea...
You have to wait 90 days from signing. But his salary is terrible.
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I meant.
Literally can’t trade him til March 1. Nobody would take his 4 yr deal.
i agree
luke has been alright. he’s scored when we needed pts, backed up, and played pretty decent w rubio. hindsight. we should’ve thrown barea’s money+ at another player. who? not sure. i didn’t want to overpay afflalo, tho he’s the only guy i can think of at the moment…little help?
I am still hoping
For a Beasley/Mayo swap. Give Memphis back their first rounder if we have to
by blingin_egyptian on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
ah....
we basically turn Luke Ridnour into a bigger, more athletic version of Luke Ridnour
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by VoodooMagic on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, a bigger, more athletic much less effective on both ends of the court Luke.
as much as we complain about Luke he’s been better offensively this season(53.2 TS% to 50.9 TS%, .107 ws/48 to .91 ws/48) and has surprisingly been a better defender by giving up .92ppp to Mayo’s .95ppp, this is while being overmatched almost every night. Mayo is overrated by many, yourself included, he’s not as good as Luke just taller by trading him for Luke we’d be making the team worse.
Luke Ridnour is often guarding the point guards though
we generally have Rubio switch off to the SGs, OJ Mayo is putting up the defensive stats actually guarding 2’s. If we had Ridnour always guard the twos he would get demolished
the dallas game we lost a few weeks back literally was lost cause of one reason: we had Ridnour guard Carter and they just posted Carter up all day for 25 points.
I think you are mistaken about OJ Mayo’s value. I’d actually argue on Canis Hoopus at least he is probably a bit under rated so many people scoff at the idea but he is having a pretty good season. his numbers have slipped as of late but I think this can be explained to the more predominant point guard role he is being asked to play
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Mayo is a pretty mediocre player no matter how you slice it.
The plus side is that he isn’t bad, but neither is Luke.
Not against picking up Mayo for nothing, but I would be concerned we overpay him in the off-season.
by vjl110 on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think what Lukes numbers really tell me
is that “competent wing” isn’t specific enough. Luke is generally competent, what we really need is a non-negative producer at the SF spot, and an average producer would be amazing.
Rubio is always guarding the opposing pg.
Rubio is covering Holiday, Rubio is covering Westbrook, Rubio is covering Lin, if Ridnour and Rubio are in together Rubio guards the pgs and Ridnour is guarding the sgs. You actually acknowledge that by saying that Ridnour was getting posted up by Carter.
I’m not underrating Mayo, he and Ridnour are both undersized at the sg position(Mayo gets posted up quite a bit by opposing sgs, as does Ridnour), they’re both jump shooters who don’t get to the free throw line. By replacing Mayo with Ridnour you aren’t solving either of the wing positions he isn’t an upgrade over Ridnour, he’s not even a lateral, I’d much rather keep Ridnour. I’m not trading Mayo for Ridnour, if we can get Mayo for some of the awful wings on the team I’m all for it but I’m not trading one of the more producitve players on the team for a slight downgrade.
Haven't we all learned that if you make a trade with the Lakers, you're going to get fleeced?
Keep away
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
Uh...
Fleeced?
You mean, if you’re Chris Wallace, who ended up not getting that fleeced?
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If the Wolves aren’t planning on extending him the QO this summer, then the TE + a pick might be an option (LAL has 2 first rounders, their own and Dallas’s, so maybe they’d fetch a late first). Then maybe they’d be one more decision away (e.g., Webster and/or Miller) from being in position to offer the moon to Batum. Batum plus, say, KCP with the acquired pick could make a watchable wing tandem. I don’t know what else they might get for Beasley (even if there are teams out there who might want to take a try with him, they could simply wait until this summer and try to sign him).
Of course, they are trying to win games. We should probably assume they have some sort of internal gauge as to how Beasley’s helping them towards that (or how he is compared to, say, Derrick Williams). I suspect they’re still at least luke warm towards him, if only due to the lack of alternatives. They don’t have anybody else who can offer what he can when he’s “on,” infrequently as that may be.
Also, as has been pointed out, I’m not quite sure if Williams and Beasley might be quite the same style of player, but this would clear some minutes for the #2 pick.
sadly, the new cba and the summer 2012 expiration of his deal
will prevent me from watching David Kahn then sell those late 1st round picks in order to pay for the buyout of his own contract.
(and slightly more on topic, I’ll honestly applaud Kahn if he can get more for Beasley than he gave up – a single, very late, first rounder with a guaranteed contract isn’t ‘more’)
Wasn't there this one time...
…when Kahn had a ‘window’ and a ‘trade exception’… or a massive expiring contract. Like, Eddy Curry or something. Um. Yeah. Not excited about that. Stick to signing middling talent to mediocre contracts.
Madness, I say
This team is glutted with middling talents making 4-5 million per. I know you’re being funny here, but damn, man, swallowing up mediocre guys to overly large contracts is killing the team.
I’ve never been on this line before, but I almost think they need to amnesty Darko, just to get him off the books. 3 more years of nothing, while getting no burn? Get that guy off the roster.
Definitely kidding...
…but Darko is only guaranteed for next year. I would imagine Beasley’s value should be something similar to Mayo, who is also ripe for a fresh, new (expensive?) contract. If Mayo garners considerably more than a 2nd round pick or TE (and I suspect he will), Beas should too.
The main thrust of my point was I am not a fan of how Kahn handled (among many other things) the cap space he was once afforded. Even if it is decided that Beasley has no future in Minnesota, I HAVE to think there is a more valuable asset or useful roster piece than a 2nd round pick or TPE.
A brother can dream right?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7yjg4uf
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
If you were a married woman, your husband would be so tired of moving furniture . . .
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
My brother actually told me a few weeks ago
that the amount of trades I suggest in real life has gone way down the last couple years….
(since i started posting on CH)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
So we are your methadone? Hehe.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
you know
i come here for treatment….this is why TimAllen has yet to ban me, cause he knows I need it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
And secretly you keep traffic going...
which means more $$$… %
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 21, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
TimAllen is not that kind
I’m sure he has ulterior motives
So do I
Maybe I want to get banned
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
We could do a straw poll
for the mods, if you really want.
A Canis Hoopus Hall of Fame Comment
If you were a married woman, your husband would be so tired of moving furniture . .
.
Chazz Reinhold: Mom?? MOM!! What is she doing back there? I never know what she's doing.
by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you.
I feel a little bad about it, since the joke relies so heavily on stereotypes (and sexist stereotypes at that), but I rarely let my conscience get in the way of a joke. To an extent, anyway. I’m not an ESPN headline writer, after all.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
At least you didn't opt for a crasser sexist stereotypical metaphor.
But of course my mind went there, so now look at what you did.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Trading with the Lakers makes no sense...
They have literally no one position wise that could help the Wolves.
It makes sense in this fashion.
IF you conclude you are going to let Beasley walk instead of offering the QO.
AND you are unable to include him in another trade that improves the team
AND you believe the team can function without him if we are unable to find a replacement
Then you get a roster spot, more than $6 million in additional cap room, likely cash, and a possible second rounder, etc.
By itself it’s not much of a move. Combined with something else it could be significant.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Three team trade
and Airete’s comments above justify it well enough for me.
this has been done, but a three team like so could work:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ljaqtd
sorry to move the furniture around yet again
We get Martin for just Webster and Beasley?
Outstanding. But I’m pretty sure LA says no to this one.
yeah
i was trying to hold onto luke, but in all reality he’d have to be included:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7zana4k
Not exactly sure why the Lakers would do this tho…
you seem more sarcastic with other people's trade offers?
Outstanding is a great line for these kinda deals….I’m hurt that you never have used it on me though
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think yours at least often come much closer to reality.
You don’t post trades where we give up garbage and get back stars.
I wish I would have kept track of it .
Someone posted one a couple weeks ago where all three teams in the deal lost wins according to Hollinger’s analyses. That didn’t seem like an easy thing to do.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Of course when you give up Beas and get Eric Gordon
And are -wins (like in KGMN’s trade below) I should probably learn to not even look at such things. Is this because Gordon is injured/can’t play?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Why not JJ
Instead of getting rid of Luke why not JJ.
Because no one will take him.
He came here because we offered way more money than anyone else would.
We get Gordon for just Beasley?
Outstanding. But I’m pretty sure LA says no to this one.
I wonder if there would be anything else to give up that could make it happen
I want Gordon so bad for this team
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Maybe if we include Williams to LA
LA isn’t trading Pau for Kaman and Beasley.
Well duh
that would be great if it were possible tough. I’d move Williams in a second if it meant getting Gordon
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Gordon is done for the year.....
"Wes Johnson is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA" - Everyone
by AndrePatterson on Feb 21, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think I'd still trade Williams for him
Williams isn’t playing anyways, might as well invest in the future and low ball some Matt Barnes deals to keep us a float this year
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking of a different approach
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tgmqst
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
could also do it without Ariza
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=745q26a
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
Sweet
Indiana says, “We don’t want to go to the playoffs this year, why don’t you go Mn.”
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like where the head is at
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cgtor9
Kaman frees up 14 mil in cap space next year plus a reliable back up this year. Derrick Williams gets playing time this year. Plus, Beasley would be gone next year anyway (8.1 million dollar qualifying offer next year). Furthermore, Webster has a 5.7 million and Miller a 5.1 contract *TEAM option next year which could open more space.
Math: + 11 Love – (14+ 5.7+5.1)= ~13.8 million in extra cap space next year plus the 2 million surplus we already have so ~16 million extra to spend.
The Point : Eric Gordon is a restricted free agent next year. We’ll have 16 million to spend. Overspend on him. Pay him 16 million for all I care. Starting line up: Pek-Love- Williams- Gordon-Rubio.
Or if the Gordon offer doesn’t work we can look to deal for Kevin Martin (or fill in with Webster type guy again) next year or pick up Kevin Martin in free agency in a couple of years.
Point is we’ll be no worse off and take a gamble on being a contender instead of average.
I don’t understand why we would want to lock down Gasol and his 19 million dollar contract for 2 more years especially if we want Pek to emerge.
by Krazykarl333 on Feb 21, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Batum > Gordon
but I agree. One of those two HAS to be a target for us this summer. Overpaying is something we just have to do. We need a player, not a great value. Batum or Eric Gordon pushes this team over that hump into possible NBA champion, as long as Pek’s play is the real deal.
Best PF
Top 5 C
Top 5 PG
Top 5-10 Wing
That’s the foundation of a champion.
U Ryke?
GET BATUM
If Gordon is healthy
he’s the guy we need.
Batum is a good player but he has yet to be put into a role where he is needed to produce like he will be here.
We still are going to need this wing to score the ball consistently and often we are going to need someone to have some creatability to his game. I like Batum and if it’s just a vacuum of wings I would absolutely take him, but if the choice comes down to he or Gordon I think I’d roll with Gordon.
I just think can’t imagine a scenario where you add a wing that can score like Gordon, who isn’t a chucker, who scores within the flow of an offense but can get his own shot off when needed would do anything less than put us past OKC for best roster in the west. Batum I think we are on a similar playing field as them….but at the end of the day I think they are the better team due to their ability to score compared to us
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Batum is a better defender than Gordon
and not as injury prone.
But Gordon is not a bad choice. He is better at getting to the FT line and creating off the dribble, which is why is a true SG.
Still, I like Batum more as a player and would rather overpay him. I think we both agree it has to be one of the two.
U Ryke?
GET BATUM
I've said this a few times lately
which, I am not new to beating a take to death
but defense is not the issue with this team. If I’m choosing between two players and one of them I feel gives us the better scorer with some defense versus the better defender with less offense….I think I’d take the scorer.
Batum is no slouch offensively either…but I like the element Gordon would bring to this club
health is the ultimate deteriming factor though, if he’s never going to be healthy that could be a problem
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
But Batum is better offensively as well...
I know you like Gordon. I like him too. But in 2012, Batum is just a better player and the evidence agrees.
He’s priming up in his 4th season and will likely keep improving. Batum is the one, but Gordon is a great 2nd choice.
U Ryke?
GET BATUM
In terms of get-ability...
..I would think Gordon would be much more costly either in terms of FA contract or traded assets…
"as long as Pek's play is the real deal"
Dude is doing exactly what he did in Europe for years. Pek and roll CRUSH. He never forces anything, because he’s so strong he can win position under the basket over anyone (Bynum, Howard, and so on). As long as he stays within his game, I cannot see how he’s not relevant, real-deal-Holyfield. Can’t think of a time he’s forced up a shot.
Beasley for Barnes and a 2nd
Not going to get much for Beasley.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
This deal makes sense.
It isn;t sexy, but it improves us and is realistic.
if it's combined with a sexy move
I’d be fine with it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I would do this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pgnw2k
Beasley for Ebanks and a trade exception. If we can get a pick, fine. A trade exception might go a long way in getting Batum from Portland.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
would that make our starting lineup
Rubio
Ridnour
Barnes
Love
Pekovic
???
a 4.5/5 white starting lineup
for me to poop on
we could go for Dunleavy instead of Barnes...
and have a 5.5/5
by vjl110 on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
we'd be automatically relegated to the NCAA
by TO12 on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we're going for all white
I like the idea of moving Beasley and Johnson for Turkgalo and Reddick more
or anything involving Chase Budinger
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
or Gordon Hayward
love his game as well
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
The TWolves
growing whiter with every proposed trade
(Hayward would help us, as would just about every other wing in the league).
We could pick up Jason Kapono
instead of barnes if we’re doing a lakers deal
Yeah
even though the “white lineup” thing is a joke Gordon Hayward is a guy I think is probably going to be an absolute baller come this time next year,
If we had him and Budinger as our wings I think we’d be in pretty good shape as a basketball team
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
The one thing he doesn't do well is shoot the 3
That’s the main reason he’s not one of my preferred targets.
well both the guys we target don't have to be 40% 3 point shooters though
I agree we have two wing spots and one of them needs to carry the dagger….but I think it’s as important to not loose sight of the fact we need a ball handler and penetrator to compliment the team we have too
That’s why I’m trying to kinda pair talents
Turner/Batum:
Hayward/Marvin Williams
Rudy Gay/JJ Reddick
Eric Gordon/anyone
Batum/Mayo
Turner/Budinger
What I don’t like is the “CH favorites”
like Dudely/Reddick I don’t think that is the right combo for us
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
another trade thought
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86mdt2c
Portland gets Utah and/or Memphis pick from us.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
AAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNND
since I’m on this time suck called Trade Machine, why not another…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qsxdzw
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
Wow
Phoenix says yes to that deal without blinking. Not sure about the other two teams though
I actually kind of like this one
Obviously what the Wolves are doing here is taking on contracts. That has value, but I don’t think Dallas does this. If they were playing .500 ball they might, but they are probably a little too good to make this kind of move.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 21, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
We could do the Williams bit right now...errr...on March 1st.
Williams for Dudley and PHX unprotected 2012 first round pick. You may be able to squeeze another pick out of them.
They would have Markeiff Morris and Williams. That could actually end up really good for them…or really bad.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
I don't think they would do it unprotected
(hmm…that sounds funny), but maybe with top 10 or top 7 protection. I’d do it to get Dudley, I think.
The Dallas part…in truth, it’s 2 separate trades. The Dallas part could stand on its own, and I would do it, but like I said above, while it has value for Dallas, I’m not sure they go for it.
Not sure the Wovles would either; depends on who is actually in charge. I sense that Kahn still sees this as a young, rebuilding team (which to an extent it still is) and I’m not sure he sees the value of a player like Marion to this squad.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I would do it top 12 protected
Dudley is good enough that I would honestly deal Williams straight up for Dudley and rejoice as we make the playoffs.
Interesting, but...
I’d think we’d have to have a deal on the table for Ridnour ready to go. Otherwise, with Luke, J.J. and Roddy, we have 3 guys under 6-2 running a PG/SG combo. Just sayin…
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
This is the deal...
…that makes sense. A four team deal between Cleveland, Houston, Minnesota and L.A. Rumors are bouncing around the Lakers want Ramon Sessions (probably the biggest piece of evidence of how terrible of a coach Kurt Rambis was) but are leery of giving up a future first round pick for him considering he can leave as a free agent and the Lakers want to save ammo to maybe get Dwight Howard.
I would say the Wolves send Cleveland our Memphis pick and call it good.
I think it's funny that
removing Sessions and adding Randolph drops the Cavs 3 wins.
I like this trade for the Wolves, and it doesn’t seem terrible for Cleveland (despite the wins projection), and the Lakers seem to benefit at the 1 and 4 (with Beas as a project/expiring), but is Gasol enough for the Rockets to want to give up Scola and Martin?
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
The Rockets...
…are the only team in this I think would maybe say no. It seems to me this would depend on how they view Courtney Lee or some other SG they might be able to get in another deal. I do think that Houston team becomes more interesting with Gasol, Kyle Lowry and the rest of their pieces.
My only problem with Gordon is he’s hurt too much and I think he might get a four-year, $60 million offer sheet. If we need to do that big of a deal, I personally want it to be for Nic Batum.
Also, after last night I just think Kevin Martin would make us so freaking good right now and for the next couple of years.
by twolvesgm2012 on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking
how remarkable it is that Scola, Easy, and Sessions only nets the Lakers 1 more win by Hollinger’s metric.
This ain't bad
Definitely plausible… Part of me wants to make a run at Gordon first instead of settling for the Martin consolation prize. Sucks to miss out on both though.
by Krazykarl333 on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Bigger question
I think the bigger question is take Martin or gamble and go for Gordon.
Because if we trade for Martin we have him on the books next year for 12 million and that is cap space Gordon would need.
by Krazykarl333 on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I would hate that so much.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen, the return of the
Minneapolis Lakers!
"If you’ve got some balls, you can do some stuff"
by JonesTheCat on Feb 22, 2012 7:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Get Gordon
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cgtor9
Kaman frees up 14 mil in cap space next year plus a reliable back up this year. Derrick Williams gets playing time this year. Plus, Beasley would be gone next year anyway (8.1 million dollar qualifying offer next year). Furthermore, Webster has a 5.7 million and Miller a 5.1 contract *TEAM option next year which could open more space.
Math: + 11 Love – (14+ 5.7+5.1)= ~13.8 million in extra cap space next year plus the 2 million surplus we already have so ~16 million extra to spend.
The Point : Eric Gordon is a restricted free agent next year. We’ll have 16 million to spend. Overspend on him. Pay him 16 million for all I care. Starting line up: Pek-Love- Williams- Gordon-Rubio.
Or if the Gordon offer doesn’t work we can look to deal for Kevin Martin (or fill in with Webster type guy again) next year or pick up Kevin Martin in free agency in a couple of years.
Point is we’ll be no worse off and take a gamble on being a contender instead of average.
I don’t understand why we would want to lock down Gasol and his 19 million dollar contract for 2 more years especially if we want Pek to emerge.
Rumors
If there’s as much interest in Beas as the growing rumors suggest. The Wolves might just be able to turn he and Williams into two good wings. But it seems improbable and do we trust Wolves management not to screw this up?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
What other interest is there?
and it depends who is in charge?
but
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was interest in Beasley especially in the Bobcats/Bucks/Lakers/Sixers crowd of teams that can’t score the basketball.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think you have to factor in "level of intrest"
The Lakers have very little talent after their top guys, and no real tradable assets.
Beasley represents a long shot for adding talent at a cheap price. But they aren’t getting into any kind of bidding war for him. If they can get him for cash or 2nd rounders (or similar value), they’ll jump.
however the Lakers position represents a decent amount of teams
Tornto, Cha, Bucks, suns, magic
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
any chance se could trade beasly for a member of the celtics?
beasly+any one of our younger players could probably get us a vet if they blow up boston. i heard something on there blog a while ago about how theyd trade for beasly
by statue_left on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
the lone chance I think we have at Harden
is something like
Minnesota: Harden
Boston: Beasley/Nazi Mohommed
OKC: Allen/Derrick Williams/Luke Ridnour
there would need to be additional pieces accounted for salary and all that but if there is one trade that is within the realm of possibility to get Harden. This mightbe the one
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
i like this
as a twolves/boston fan, and as someone who still hates OKC for leaving seattle
by statue_left on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
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