Lakers, **** off, we're keeping Beasely
by Fuzzem on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 AM CST
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PrintThe trade rumors created by the LA media are very amusing. First of all the trade would only benefit LA(like how most trades with LA do) and secondly **** off. Just face it Kobe Bryant will never win more championships then Micheal Jordan. Kobe should just be happy he has won more than Shaq. Trade rumors going on dont even make sense? Why would we even want Pau Gasol? Because he speaks Spanish. We have Love and PEK.
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Just had to vent.
Now I can get back to work.
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Heh
I wouldn’t mind dealing Beasley just to save salary. That said, Barnes is better than Beasley and costs way less so I could see us taking him back. I’d be thrilled to get a draft choice or three. That said, the Beasley for Marvin Williams idea is the best possible use of Beasley I’ve heard but I’m 99.9% sure Atlanta is too smart to go for that.
Regarding Gasol I don’t really want him because of Love and Pek and moreso because of his salary since that will prevent us from getting a good wing.
99.9% sure Atlanta would do that in a heart beat
Nobody wants the remaining 2 years $17 mil left on williams’ deal, we shouldn’t either. Strap us financially for the next couple of years with another underachieving small forward? I’d pass. Definitely take back barnes and his expiring deal though, a pick would be beneficial too or cash
by ackledude13 on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't do this, but I dedicate this to Voodoo
ATL is running into massive cap trouble with Smith/Johnson/Horford. Williams is making 7.5 this year and has another 2 after this season. Assuming a 10% escalator in his contract. Why they paid him that much given his performance at the time of the deal, I dunno, but hey, it matches up pretty well with Easy’s deal.
I'm trying, man. I'm trying.
I figure, the more self-referential I can be, the more responses I will generate.
Ahem.
I was thinking that as well
but I was trying to move the Utah and Memphis pick to Portland (and Ridnour, for non-basketball reasons).
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7nljwpt
I’m not sure the cap flexibility is lost….assuming we take the cheap buyouts of Martell and Miller (and make Miller an Asst. Coach, IMO). We could also amnesty Darko. As long as the Wolves stay under the cap, then the incoming revenue should cover those buyouts methinks. :)
I know Starving Marvin’s contract is a bit much, but is it more that what Beasley will require, and is it proportional to what he can offer (length, defense, some outside shooting and a low usage rate)?
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
Marvin's producing at the level
that was expected of him when he was drafted. Most guys show what they’re gonna be in the NBA in year three, but this is year seven for him. I almost need to call it an outlier, but man, he’s hitting and sticking on his three pointers this year. I kinda have to expect him to regress to the mean, but right now, dude is better than anything we have on the roster.
to be fair
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html
Williams has been producing at a +.1 WS/48 level for about 4 years now
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
excellent
Williams and Matthews would be a great tandem on the wing
I don’t even think Marvin’s contract is all that absurd. It might be “a bit much” for sure….but much like the Rudy Gay deal…I’d kill to have that deal with that production on this team
speaking of cap relief deals and Rudy Gay….
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7elakqq
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
This is by far the best possible outcome for Beasley
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'm hoping for a 3-way trade
-That sends Pau to somwhere. (since they seem to be willing to deal him)
-Sends Beasley to Lakers. (since it seems like he’s not part of our long term plans and Lakers seem to have genuine interest in him)
-Sends a competent SG to the local beloved. (’nuff said)
Hey, a man can dream!
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
Houston, Portland, or Jersey want Pau?
Because I would sure like Kevin Martin, Marshon Brook/Anthony Morrow, or sign and trade for Batum.
by Darth Tugits on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
OR how about Memphis gets the Gasol brothers
and we get a little Mayo on the side.
by Darth Tugits on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Mayo and what else?
Because Mayo alone isn’t even close to worth Pau.
Houston
We know Houstons wants Pau, part of the package to LAL is Beasley from us and we get Courtney Lee from Houston. I feel that if it was Kevin Martin it would cost us too much in pieces (and financially)
by Robert Trims on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
It's a shame its coming to this
With Pek, Love and Rubio this team needs guys who cant stretch the defense. Beasley should be able to do that. He’s shooting 42% from downtown! Why can’t he play the Wes role on this team? Sit in the corner 3 every play, get open looks and save his energy for defense. It’s infuriating. If we are to trade Beasley, it should be for a wing that can space the floor and play D.
but..
would his defense give up more points than Wes loses on offense?
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I've honestly no idea
If I believed the defensive metrics more I would say no, but I don’t trust them yet. Really I want option C (the devil I don’t know aka any SF not on our team).
Beasley would never be able to fill the Wes role..
Beasley is by far the better shooter, but he thinks he is a star and when he gets the ball, it’s Beasley time.. Wes on the other hand catches the ball, if he doesn’t have a shot or path to the hoop, he usually kicks to the open guy and continues through the offense. Beasley gets the ball and jacks up ill-advised shots and lazy drives to the hoop.
by ackledude13 on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote that poorly.
My eye test tells me Johnson is way way better than Beasley on defense (see back 4 comments).
But I agree with your take about the low usage offensive option.
I might disagree
At least for most of this year I’d put Beasley in our 3 best perimeter defensive players group
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Rubio, ??? , Beasley
hmm I would honestly go Rubio, Jonson, Webster but it’s really hard to say. Luke impresses at times as does Barea but they both have enough massive breakdowns, but so do Johnson and Webster. On a scale of 1-10 I think I would go
8 – Rubio - what can I say, the guy is an all-NBA defender, if he had the hops to block an extra shot every three games he’d be a 10. Johnson – get’s the job done, still gets lost on screens, would be higher if he got more rebounds or played (more) help defense.
5
5 – Ellington – does a great job staying in front of everyone, gets a hand up and gets around screens
4 – Webster – overenthusiastic and gets beat too easily off the dribble but closes out, hustles, helps and rebounds
4 – Beasley – only this high because I value his rebounding. He doesn’t get taken 1-on-1 very often but he get’s lost, sags too far off or helps when he shouldn’t.
3 – Barea & Ridnour – very pesky (JJ) and occasionally gets steals; but they’re both just undersized and they get posted up easily.
I'd put Beasely higher than Ellington/Webster
he has had some much harder assingments this year
I’d maybe go 6/10 for Beasley. Like you said I think in man situation’s he actually has a strong level of competencey this year.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 23, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
neither has Love
..be honest.
We are just talking “D” here.
I think Beasley is more effective than Prince.
by jclillehei93 on Feb 22, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That contract is hideous
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by TimAllen on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Prince is the superior player. Much better defender, better post moves, smarter with the ball, though he doesn’t have the better shot or one-on-one ability, I would take him any day over Beasley. However, don’t want that contract on our books that he just signed.
by ackledude13 on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
ngombo biyombo
First everybody’s clamoring ‘draft him draft him, he’s a manther’, then everybody’s saying “…David… that’s not the guy…”
Timberwolf fans are so bi-polar
by rickyp on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
....
either a bad joke or you don’t know the difference between Bismack Biyombo and Tanguy Ngombo… I really can’t tell which
"I really can’t tell which"
Heh. I would think that makes it a good joke, but I guess not. As the charter-member driver of the “David Kahn is a Bad GM” bus, it never even occurred to me that that post could be read as a straight comment.
I think you're missing the point...
Brooks was drafted at 25th… we had the 20th pick but decided on drafting Donatus Monteijunas and then trade him for Tanguy Ngombo’s pick and cash.
by jclillehei93 on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
it's part of the reason I love the % sign here
coming from most people I assume it’s a joke but I don’t recall much that you’ve written so I’ve no past experience to base the judgement on(sorry) and honestly CH seems to be exploding population wise lately.
if we can get Pau for Beasley,
We do it. I doubt that’s the case, and I’m not sure that’s what you were arguing against. With the addition of Pau, we would have the best big man rotation in the league. By far.
by twolvehoopster on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Of course we can't get Pau for Beasley.
Lakers want Beasley for their TPE. They want a no commitment trial run on a talented player because their options are limited.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Lakers said "We'll give you nothing for Beasley."
Kahn responded “Hmmmm. Maybe!”
by Boss10 on Feb 22, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
well if he can't get cash during the draft...
maybe he needs to make some money for Taylor with other trades….
Why?
I’m not completely sold they would say yes…but legitimately this is an upgrade in both player and contract
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
that's actually...interesting
Crazy Randolph and Bynuts down low? man…Kobe will never get the ball back once he passes it down there.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
who am I kidding
Kobe doesn’t pass :)
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
by nodnarb on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my thoughts exactly
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You've learned well my son
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by NorthernStar on Feb 23, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Do you guys think
Milwaukee would trade Shaun Livingston for Beasley and a 2nd rounder?
Read somewhere...
That the Nets might be offering up Morrow and someone else for Beasley. That’s a far better trade, just purely because the Wolves need a decent shooting 2 guard instead of an over-the-hill backup power forward that will be paid a lot and won’t be happy sitting behind Kevin Love and getting 15 minutes a game (at best).
The Lakers aren’t a team that are stockpiling a lot of talent behind their stars for worthy trade pieces. Too many good years, not enough good draft picks in the incubator, and really not enough high potential free agent signings. The rest of the league should just let the Lakers grow old, then fail for a few years. LA has got the Clips, too, so it’s not like they’d have to sit through years of suck like Minnesotans had to.
the more I consider it, Beas for Marvin Williams makes a lot of sense but I'm still not convinced Atlanta does it
That said Morrow would be a nice, simple pickup that at least gives us an option besides Luke/JJ at shooting guard. I honestly don’t know how well he defends and that’s probably the key question in my mind since Luke shoots a decent 3 ball.
It would have to be a pure salary deal
considering they have like 60 million locked into Horford, Johnson, Smith and would probably want to keep Teague I could see it getting done. Beasley isn’t going to kill their playoff run and gives them a little flexibility to work with. Maybe we throw a draft pick in there so they have some future asset to show
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
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