If the Lakers are actually interested in Michael Beasley
by ynotsema2 on Feb 22, 2012 5:59 PM CST
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Wolves receive Kevin Martin
Lakers receive Luis Scola, Jonny Flynn, Michael Beasley, and Wesley Johnson
The Wolves get a perfect offensive complement to Kevin Love for the next few seasons, and only give away players that haven't found their fit here in Minnesota.
The Rockets get a player that gives them an identity they have lacked for a long time, and only give away players they were previously willing to part with to get Gasol.
The Lakers get a group of young players that represent a talent upgrade over the current bunch of stiffs numbered 4-12 on their roster, and only give away a player whose value to them has been greatly diminished by their coaching change this season - in Brown's system Scola will be 95% as effective as Gasol.
If the Lakers decide they want Goran Dragic instead of Flynn, he's interchangeable. If the Lakers would prefer Courtney Lee instead of Johnson, then Johnson can land in Houston with Lee going to LA.
Which team would hold up this deal? And is there anything better the Wolves could realistically get from Beasley and Johnson?
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This would be a fantastic trade for us
A legit two guard would solve so many problems. Plus this frees up more playing time for the caged lion, who i still believe has a shitload to offer. Do it. Now!
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by Bob Mcflallergy on Feb 22, 2012 6:42 PM CST reply actions
I would be happier than ever
if Jonny Flynn went to the Lakers. Kobe would have an aneurysm in the first quarter with him on the court.
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by Cynical Jason on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
The Lakers could go back to
running the triangle!
How about
Beasley for Barnes… straight up? It would improve our SF position (defensively for sure) and give the Lakers more shooting from the wing.
We'd have to take something back.
There’s about 4.5 mil salary difference and they would have to send back another 2-3 million. And that looks like it’d have to be Murphy and Kapono, or else it’s three players plus Barnes. That’s if we send them Beasley and only Beasley in a simple two-team trade. They’d throw us Blake if they get Ridnour, probably.
Unlikely.
I imagine if Beasley goes to the Lakers, it’s part of a Pau deal with multiple teams involved, and the Wolves get very little in return.
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by twinstalker on Feb 23, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yes and no.
We could trade Beasley for a TPE and then in another trade take on Barnes in exchange for a TPE.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
"if the Lakers decide they want Goran Dragic instead of Flynn..."
This should read “if the Lakers have watched a basketball game they will decide they want Goran Dragic instead of Flynn.”
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by Malastare on Feb 22, 2012 6:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Actually, Flynn would be more likely, perhaps
Lakers give up one and get four…they have to cut three bodies. Flynn makes that easier.
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Oof
I just looked at the Laker roster. They could almost even keep Wes.
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Makes you appreciate Kobe a lot more
but I do fear that Beasley and Johnson could come back to kick our ass after being mentored by Kobe and Fish
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Do you think
Lakers like Beasley enough to do
Luke and Beasley for Barnes and Goudelock?
The other guy that I like on the Lakers is Darius Morris
really like his potential to play with Rubio
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Am I the only one apprehensive about Kevin Martin?
Streaky shooter, some injury history and not exactly young.
No there's definitely apprehension
But he’s still got a handful of years of good production (I believe) and he’s better than our current situation. Gotta take a risk sometime to get better.
by Jordan Seiffert on Feb 23, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Streaky doesn't scare me
but ball stoppers do. We’ve got lots of guys who can shoot, just not at the two (although I hold out hope for Martell).
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
If you can get him for not Williams I am all for it
but yes there is plenty of reason to have a healthy skepticism about KMart
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I want to the twolves to keep
Wes!!!
The dude has been playing noticeably better game after game for the last two weeks…
Are you Wes's agent or his Mom?
If it’s the latter, I have to say that you brought your son up to be a nice young gentleman, Ma’am.
andrew33
While Wes’ miniscule contributions have made him an easy mark for our vitriol, take strength for your unpopular stance from the fact that a pretty good judge of talent on the Wolves bench may share your faith. In the unlikely event that Wes suddenly “Lins” up you can strut around like a Banty rooster. If not, What the hell? Try, try again.
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by pastyearsears on Feb 24, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Minnesota would make a killing on this deal
Getting Martin for Beasley and Johnson? I understand that LA liked Beasley a bit before the season, but to essentially make him (and Scola) the counterpiece of a deal sending out Gasol is a stretch. Gasol is a monster, and you’d need to swap out Beasley for Derrick Williams to make a deal happen. Which won’t happen.
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by Patrick Harrel on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions
No
way Twolves give up Williams and Johnson for Kmart.
After today, I believe Twolves should just stick with those two and just entertain trade offers for Beasley.
Wes
has been stepping it up for a while now. He is getting better and better every game, and he looks like he is getting more comfortable to the flow of the NBA
He still can't shoot...
which is an important part of basketball. His defense is overrated. Your delusional.
by bringbackbrewer on Feb 23, 2012 8:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
And he has
been knocking down more of his 3s these days
Your Wes enthusiasm is impressive
but he has hit 5/26 threes in his last 13 games and 2 of his last 10. I believe Wes can be much better than that, but the numbers do not support your support of Wes. We would all like to see him do better, but while his jumper looks pretty and may seem like it’s better, it hasn’t been effective.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 23, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think he meant 'this day' instead of 'these days'
…Wes was 1-3 from three last night. A marked improvement.
I agree with you
Just saying that Beasley and Johnson, two fairly conclusive top 5 busts, and a backup for the Rockets do not make it worth it for LA to downgrade from Gasol to Scola.
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by Patrick Harrel on Feb 22, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
But you could also see it as
Lakers taking a risk on Beasley. We all know Beasley has all the potential to be a star especially on Offense in the NBA. Now the Lakers are lacking shooters who can knock down shots and make plays for themselves, and Beasley could be the answer. Also maybe having Scola instead of Pau means a clear pecking order and more touches for Bynum. Going from Gasol to Scola may be a downgrade, but the two players have very similar styles. They both like to operate with their backs to the basket, is a pretty good one on one defender, not too athletic to be a great help defender, has a soft touch around the rim, and has a tendency to disappear in some games despite putting up decent stats (15pt, 10reb).
I like this deal as originally proposed.
Wes worked out with Kobe last summer. with Kobe, Wes may have the mentor he needs and he would play 12 minutes a night against the second string. He might become a late bloomer playing in his home area. Beasely might pick it up too. I think meanwhile that Pau might be fed up enough to want to go to Houston and Houston was willing to give up Kevin and Scola before for Gashol I think.
I think the Lakers turn this down
and the wolves are giving up too little.
Substitute Luke Ridnour for Wes Johnson and that might be enough. Luke would be a really good fit next to Kobe. He’s in the mold of Steve Kerr, John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, and Derek Fisher : PG’s who can hit open shots and make good passes, but can’t really run an offense, and shouldn’t be starters on most teams. Lakers would potentially get three starters out of this trade if Ridnour and Beasley mesh well.
Houston and Lakers could make a trade right now without anyone else
Gasol to Houston for Martin and Scola. I wonder who is saying no, and why.
Lakers will want expiring contracts
At least one expiring. Scola is four years, Martin is two. Martin plays same position as Kobe. Right now with Pau, the Lakers are over the salary cap probably for 2013/14 (and that’s for Pau, Kobe, Mehta, and Blake). Adding Beas, Scola, Wes, and Flynn reduces their commitment by $8 mil that year.
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The skinny
from someone I trust.
The Lakers are looking for scoring. They strongly prefer a 1 or a 1/2 combo but are willing to consider someone that can score at any position. They are NOT trading Pau and/or Bynum for anything less than Dwight Howard.
With few trade assets, the Lakers are focused on current FA, expiring contracts where the current team is unlikely to extend, or non extended rookie contract players. They are very willing to absorb salary (this year plus 1 more year if needed) by using their Trade Exception. They would send any player back outside of Kobe/Pau/Bynum – but know that no one really wants anyone else.
As a preferred TE deal, this is unlikely going to be a multi team deal – unless Dwight Howard is involved.
Beasley is in their top 5 on the wish list – but not near the top. Dwight is still #1 (with the expectations that he might be available once the All Star game is finished in Orlando). Arenas is fall back if nothing else can happen.
Kahn would need to be willing to accept a salary dump and a mediocre draft pick for Beasley. Again, on face value, that does not sound worth it in the least. But I would do it to create playing time for Williams.
by Just A Fan on Feb 23, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
agreed
I would think that maybe taking Barnes off their hands to provide more of a pure 3 might benefit the wolves, but other than that I don’t want the wolves just adding salary for no real purpose. Better off to maintain cap flexibility and let Rick and his boy decide what they need and allow them the flexibility to get it.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 23, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
How much is their exception?
could we trade them Darko and Beasley for the exception just toget the contracts off the books? I really want to lose that Darko contract so we can save the amnesty for someone else if we end up wanting to go after Batum/Gordon in the offseason
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Feb 23, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Don't have the exact figures
but their trade exception is in the $8-9M range.
Also, I believe that you can only do a single player with the TE. Can’t get 2 players with one TE. Maybe someone far more familiar than I with the CBA can chime in and confirm this part.
$8.9 million TPE
TPE can’t be combined with out going player salary or other TPE, but can be split to acquire several players adding up to the total of the TPE.
- you can’t use a $2 million TPE and a $8 million TPE to get a $10 million player
- you can’t send out a $4 million dollar player and then use a $8 million dollar TPE to acquire a $8-12 million dollar player. That transaction is still limited to $8 million.
- you can use a $8.9 million TPE to acquire a $4 million dollar player and a $3 million dollar player. In fact you have a TPE of $1.9 million left until it expired.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Realistically -
I think The Wolves trade Beasley to The Lakers for the TPE and one of The Lakers’ 2012 1st-rounders (either their own or the one they have from Dallas which is Top-20 protected for the next several years). Maybe The Wolves can eek Darius Morris out of the deal too.
So Beasley for a late-1st and Darius Morris?
I actually love Darius Morris
if we could get the Lakers pick unprotected (obviously they are going to make the playoffs…but it could be a pretty juicy like 18th pick or something)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
that's too bad
I think the Beasely=TE deal could be worth it if we could also rope Darko into the deal to get his contract off our hands. With Pek emerging and Williams needing more time Darko has 0 place on this team
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Hey! Don't be so hard on Darko!
He contributed a turnover last night!
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by Cynical Jason on Feb 23, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
With how he's been playing, I don't see how the team could get any more for Beas
And even if they only get a late 1st, they would have turned a pair of 2nd rounders into a late first at the end of the day, which is pretty good.
It would be real cool to get both 1sts for him, although I can understand why it probably won’t happen. I wonder if we could give them someone else as well though. Maybe Tolliver? Just to open up another roster spot.
nah 2nd rounders are usually better than late firsts (depending on how late)
2nd rounders aren’t guaranteed contracts while first rounders are and there’s not a ton of difference in the quality of player found between #25-45.
Agree with all of these
Although I’m cheering and hoping for a successful season this year (mostly so I don’t have to worry about that stupid lottery ball coming out in the first 3 with a Clippers logo on it), my main hope is to be a championship contender in the future. That being said I would not want to sacrifice next year salary cap flexibility for a possible minor improvement this year. I would want to save it so we can overpay someone, and thus outbid the market, like Gordon.
In response to the first post…
My only question is it it worth giving up Johnson and settling on Kevin Martin? If we acquire Martin, I agree we get instantly better and become more of a threat, but we lose out on an opportunity for Gordon because we’ll have 12 million tied to Martin next year. I guess I’d rather take my chances on Gordon…
Possible alternative for this year: Ray Allen.
Celtics are floundering and clearly are moving to rebuilding stage. Ray Ray has a 10 million expiring contract so we could still stay in Gordon mix.
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That was supposed to be in reply to Just A Fan’s “The skinny”
by Krazykarl333 on Feb 23, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
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