How to help get us to where we want to go
by VoodooMagic on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 PM CST
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PrintNo matter how much I want to fight it. No matter how much I like Thrilla and think he is a perfect compliment to Love....if Rick ain't gonna play him then we absolutely have to trade him. I don't really get it it. I'm not sure how he wouldn't be a better 3 than Wes, but it's not my call to make.
Nic Batum is the logical target, problem I see is that I doubt POR is interested in Williams with LA on the team. Here's a valid trade proposal that could get us Batum and then some corresponding moves to make us playoff ready.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6oghxdx
Minnesota: Batum, Elliot Williams, Ronny Turiaf
Washington: Darko, Thrilla
Por: McGee and cap filler.
there may need to be some protected picks tossed around and maybe the inclusion of like Anthony Randolph or something but I think the general gist is legit: Washington, looking to shuffle the deck moves their inigmatic center for a high-talent PF to POR who would get something they could use in exchange for Batum whom they don't play and Min gets Batum and Elliot Williams to build their wings around.
Corresponding moves
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79eszkc
Minnesota: Mayo
Memphis: Brad Miller, Wellington and Memphis 2013 pick. Mayo has been on the trading block for awhile, it isn't entirely clear what Memphis wants but a draft pick has always seemed to be a stumbling block in deals for Mayo. If we drop them two role players and a draft pick it could get the job done.
Mayo has been playing very well and looks primed to explode in a starting gig on a new team like the Wolves
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83tb9lr
Min: Favors, Bell
Utah: Ridnour, Randolph, Johnson, Utah's first round pick owned by MIn
This Utah moves admittedly is the most out there of the lot. I think Favors is absolutely gettable though, Utah won't be able to move both Jefferson and Milsap and it appears they prefer Kanter over Favors ATM, so anything is possible.
These moves would give us a core of:
Pekavic...........Favors
Love................Favors/Tolliver
Batum.............Beasley
Mayo................Elliot Williams
Rubio..............Barea
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I could see one of those situations
But I don’t really see us trading that large of a part of our team like that. I’m all for getting OJ, I think he is really a perfect fit for us. I like the first trade, but I would like to see DWill play more first.
What about this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73qr5yf
by blingin_egyptian on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 PM CST reply actions
Let's say all those trades are possible (and they aren't) ...
… how much money will be needed for it in few years? (like 75+M$ or much more than luxury cap).
And nobody will trade Batum and Favors – those players are close to non-touchable.
To properly compose team, keep following in mind:
1. We have too many players worth of minutes and draft picks we don’t need. It is time to trade quarters for dollar (even if we overpay).
2. We need to balance team (position wise) – no SGs, too many PFs
3. We need to balance team (experience and stability wise) – not enough veterans, too many head cases
4. Composed team must be under luxury cap long term
5. Team need to be built for particular style of play (it isn’t simple sum of its ingredients).
6. To maximize assets sell players when their value is high, buy them when their value is low
Ideal trading partner for us is NY. They are struggling, have no PGs (and we have more than we need), and no depth (we have more players than we need) – maybe they want to convert dollar into quarters (although it is usually bad idea), and they have 2 starter quality SG (Shumpert/Fields).
Trade example:
NY-Minnesota-Denver-Cleveland
NY: -Amare,Fields +Barea,Pekovic,W.Chandler,Session,Harrington (they trade star for depth, 5 rotation players; with Shumpert, Fields become expandable)
Cleveland: -Session +Randolph or Wes (and something extra from NY, but no first rounder)
Denver: -W.Chandler-Harrington + Beasley,1st-rounder, another 1st rounder if needed (assuming they couldn’t afford Chandler; Galo is extended for 42M$/4; also they maybe want to dump Harrington long-term contract – although he is playing extremely well currently).
Minnesota: -Beasley,Randolph,Barea,Pekovic,1st-rounder, another 1st rounder if needed +Amare,Fields
We don’t need 1st-rounders, Randolph and Beasley. Pekovic doesn’t fit good with our flow of offense and is questionable on defense, if he continue to play good until March he will be great trade asset (sell high). Barea is hard one to part with, but it is easy to sell NY that he will fit well with T.Chandler – it is hard to sell Ridnour instead.
Fields is good fit position wise (no SGs), style of play wise, and from salary demand perspective (expect him to get 5-6M$/per, 4 years in the summer). Amare is good fit position wise (C; he will be abused on defensive end, but still), style of play wise (he needs Rubio to excel) and his contract is 3 more years long (matching Rubio, D-Will rookie contract).
With one trade we are almost there. Now we use remain 1st rounder(s) – assuming we are OK to part with Utah, Memphis, and our own unprotected 2014 1st – and Wes to get quality veteran on SF position (like Marion) and we are done.
by andromeda on Feb 4, 2012 3:43 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm usually with you Voodoo
but this seems like a bit much. I’ll chalk it up to post game exuberance.
I’m still rooting for the Memphis deal for Mayo.
The Utah deal you propose seems lofty.
I also have to admit I am not fully on the Batum bandwagon that circles CH. It seems now that he has had plenty of time to become something more than a nice rotation player and just hasn’t done it yet. Clearly he would be an upgrade for us on the wing I get that, I just worry that he will cost more than he will end up being worth- and by too wide of a margin.
Interesting take on Batum
I’m not entirely on the Batum bandwagon either…but I love three things about him: his age (22), his productivity, and his athleticism….your fear is probably pretty fair, but let’s even say he is nothing more than an excellent starting role player, he’s gonna play defense and he’s gonna give you three point shooting and points in the paint.
even if he only gives you like 13 ppg it’s going to be the kind that you need and what I like most about this move in correspondence with the Memphis move is that: this team would be set up perfectly for OJ Mayo to explode. The guy has been playing the best basketball of his career and would be going from a team that almost feels burdened by him to a team that needs him to be OJ Mayo. You got the defense of Batum and Rubio to hide potential defensive mismatches by Mayo and he will be set up all night long by our inside out combo of Love and Pek.
Lol, the Favors one is a bit much. I have loved Derrick Favors as a bball player for sometime. He is gettable
I was a little drunk after the game lol.
this trade might be a bit more realistic though to get favors
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6o8bv3p
involve Toronto, send Beasley and Ridnour there Calderon to Utah
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I guess
that it depends on what we give up for Batum and what we are giving up in terms of future contracts if we overpay him- I do understand we will have to overpay someone.
I just don’t really see us doing too much this year. As much as I would love to make the playoffs now I am looking more for continued growth and becoming a clear playoff team next season.
My hope is for one move before the trade deadline (Mayo, Morrow, someone like that) and then a good off season.
Elliot Williams looks like someone who is goign to explode any time soon.
His problem is that he is stuck behind Matthews, Crawford and Batum. I´d try to get him if I were Sota´s GM.
Wolves should swing a deal with Toronto for DeRozan
DeRozan in the backcourt with Rubio would be exciting
DDR is having the worst season of his career
so he might be obtainable. That said I’d almost rather gamble on Elliot Williams.
Williams!!!!!!
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