Ouch
In the grand scheme of things, losing this winnable game against the Suns while winning the losable game against the Clippers completely evens things out....but...well, um...
At some point these are the sorts of contests the team must start to win if they want to make the playoffs, even as a player-strapped three-man show being anchored down by god-awful production at a few key spots. They have to be able to build upon their free-money wins. Tonight, they FUBAR'd it. Big time.
We're at the point of the season where it's kind of pointless to break down individual games. We have a clear idea of what the team is, what it needs, and what it should be doing. Tonight against the Suns, they were done in by ridiculous shooting and not much else.
Tonight the Wolves had an eFG of .401. They made 1 three pointer. They were unable to turn their 5 oreb advantage into anything substantial. They even had 11 more FTAs than Phoenix with 9 more FTMs and they still lost because the little orange ball wouldn't go through the little orange hoop.
They drew fouls, they didn't turn the ball over a ton, they rebounded the ball...they simply didn't make their shots. That's it. That's the gig. It's that simple.
Did they run poor sets? Did they not attack the rim? Did they settle for too many mid range contested jumpers? Not really. This game really didn't look all that different from any other except for...wait for it...they just didn't make their shots. (You could probably make a case for the team not running enough sets or not moving it enough side-to-side, but this is kind of nitpicking with their poor shooting.)
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Sooooooo...what say you? What else is there to talk about with a team that doesn't shoot well above .400 efg?
Until later?
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did everything well except make open shots
"David Kahn doesn't like it, so I'm going to keep it." - Kevin Love on growing his beard.
In 109 total minutes
Love, Rubio, Williams, and Beasley went a combined 14 for 47. Pathetic. D-Will was 2-10 himself.
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Fair points about bad shooting
Tired legs. Awful schedule.
Suns also executed really well and got much better looks than what we were getting. I couldn’t figure out what they were doing, but it seemed like they really crowded under the basket and took away our drive. Perfect strategy for a cold shooting team.
Grant Hill is really annoying how he continues to kill us. Isn’t he like 50 now?
He's had so many surgeries
I think he’s bionic now.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
lol I'm always amazed by guys who had all so surgeries
And then suddenly are healthy when they get older. Weird. Guy takes care of himself.
Grant Hill even seems to look younger. I think he's a robot.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
It's that (in)famous training staff
Pohlads need to open some wallets and hire ’em on over.
Flagged.
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by Omaha Sun on Mar 2, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I ate next to him at restaurant here in LA a couple nights ago (during All Star Weekend)...
it’s unreal how young he looks…I couldn’t get over it.
by LosAngelesTWolf on Mar 1, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I've read too much Asimov...
…but if they served him real food, did he actually eat any of it? I mean put it in his mouth, chew AND swallow!
I'm not sure I would call what he and Steve eat "real food."
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it was soylent green
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 4:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Curse my metal body.
What I meant to say was:
He’s more machine than man, now. Twisted and eeevil.
I wonder how much fatigue had to do with it.
From the four-letter recap:
All five starters reached double figures for the Timberwolves, who shot 50 percent (21 of 42) in the first half but 29 percent (13 of 44) in the second. Love was 3 of 13 in the second half, 1 of 6 in the fourth quarter. Minnesota made 1 of 13 3-pointers. The Suns shot 53 percent.
That’s a huge dropoff at halftime. Phoenix was lights out all game. Is that the difference?
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt
I was think towards the end of the 3rd, damn we don’t have a big enough lead. This could get ugly in the 4th. Didn’t think it’s get that ugly.
I felt that way in the second quarter
Wolves looked like they were cruising but let the Suns hang around
Well that sucked
Suns manhandled the Wolves inside
Another fun stat.
Starters were perfect from the line (in 20 attempts). The bench was 6 for 12. Ick.
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And Wes Johnson had one of those game that makes me think
Hey, maybe he can play.
He tortures me that way.
Yeah, his line wasn't bad.
He made two phenomenally stupid plays in a row in the second (?) quarter, which sours me a little on his performance tonight, but statistically he wasn’t terrible.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
It was his D that got me excited
But I agree. Luke did that to me too. A lot of good and then several infuriating plays.
We played loose, counting on talent and touch
While the suns played gritty.
And our touch was not there. Still, we didn’t turn it over much, which I take as a strong positive.
We looked good when we kept looking for the ready pass- that has to cement as a team identity. Especially for love. I still hold him to adelman’s pre season idea that his assists should improve. That is his next step.
Think our fans are on tilt after 3 games in 3 nights
Other thread is a tad loco.
by Rodman99 on Mar 1, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I try to be encouraged
the fact that they sound more like Vikings or Twinkies threads means the Wolves are finally drawing in casual fans, right?
Loco?
Normal functioning people can’t talk about pro sports 3 days in a row.
by fanslaststand on Mar 1, 2012 11:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Word has it
We are in a position to remain tantalizingly close to true playoff position..
We are going to do a mystical dance to make the wolves believe they deserve to be there
Settle down, Sybil.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
LeBron having an absurdly good game so far tonight
29, 9, and 6 on 11/17 shooting, with two steals and no TOs. There’s a minute to go in the 3rd. Good lord.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
I hate that he's so good. I hate him and want him to be not good. Dammit!
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 1, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't fight it young Skywalker
Feel the power of the dark side.
he isn't that good - he's just fast
when a person 2 meters tall and 250 lbs is moving at you that quickly, you just get the hell outta the way or risk losing a limb.
Sorta reminded me of Magic’s last all-star game. Just give him the ball, and everyone just gets outta the way
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 4:58 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
did you just say Lebron isn't good?
We have Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, etc.. saying Lebron is the best player in the NBA. Yes he is fast, but he also excels at each and every aspect of the game.
I think you are describing Blake Griffin. Uber athletic but can’t shoot.
for me to poop on
(yeah, the guy is playing the best ball of his absurdly good career right now)
His game last night should be put in a museum.
.696 TS, 28.5 dreb%, 16.7 treb%, a 30.8 usg%, and…wait for it…0 turnovers. His Ortg was 156 and his drtg was 92. He made Gerald Walace and Nic Batum (two amazingly athletic wing players) look like their feet were stuck in cement. It was unreal. I can’t remember seeing another player have that good of a game. It was horrifyingly good, both athletically and skillfully.
BTW
This year is LeBron’s 9th year in the league. He is 27. Had Michael Jordan been a product of today’s AAU culture, his 90/91 season would have been his 8th or 9th year in the league (1 or 2 years subtracted from college) and the year he won his first championship. For all the shit LeBron takes about his inability to close/banana sandwich/whatever, he’s at the same stage of his career as Jordan was when he won his first title. Unlike Jordan, he’s taken his team to the Finals twice.
(And yes, I’m going there.)
Here is the player comp.
LeBron has a higher PER, WS/48, he passes better, rebounds better, is shooting better, and….well, if the Heat wins the title this year, that should be one more stupid obstacle to get out of the way in comparing the level LeBron is currently playing at to the one we saw with Jordan. Yeah, he’s a douche but this level has only been reached once before. At some level we have to enjoy this, right?
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but he's such a great villain and so fun to hate!
let us hate.
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by davechisholm on Mar 2, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LBJ is by far the best bball player on the planet by far... but he still isn't that good
he’s not good enough to take the “face of the NBA” moniker from Kobe.
he has taken that path of WWF heel. So literally from a character story point of view, he isn’t “good”.
right now, LBJ is not good enough to take the NBA to the next step and pass MLB and NFL. granted, the NBA is firmly cemented in 3rd, but LBJ isn’t good enough to transform the league like MJ did.
he has astronomically crazy stats, but he won’t be “that good” til he gets a few rings.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 11:43 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Whaaaaa???
The league is more popular than it has been in years. His Decision, for better or worse, was a cultural phenomenon. He sells a ton of jerseys and fans turn out for the Heat games just like the Lakers. He has 3.7 million Twitter followers. Everything the guy does or says is blown up. What player has a more well-known story right now?
his Decision was a Time cover moment
and he’s the top guy who will be the face of the NBA now that Kobe is on the decline. but I don’t think that happens til he wins a ring. it’s a key piece of the puzzle. America likes a winner.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
America likes
weiners. Fixed it for ya.
Just ask Senator Weiner.
LBJ is good for the economy - and I don't want to know how the wieners are made
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Pardon this FBomb
But saying he needs to bring the NBA past the NFL all by himself in order to be “that good” is fuckin nuts.
by fanslaststand on Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm just saying that the NBA can pass the NFL & MLB globally...
American football and baseball don’t translate well across the world. rules, logistics, equipment, etc…
the NBA is another American product (like Disney after the Little Mermaid) that can pounce on the global market and establish dominance.
it would be nice to sell American products to a billion potential customers. I don’t care if it takes a mediocre basketball player from the Ivy league to do it. if that’s what it takes to improve this economy, I’m for it.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lebron is Bad for the Economy
Heard here first.
(There has to be a tagline somewhere in there)
I heard he votes for lefty job killers
His initials are LBJ ya know.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
Lebron is the best.
Ring or no ring. The best. One of the best all time.
Who can compare? Magic? I don’t even know if Jordan was at the level that Lebron is at now. Don’t think it is reasonable to compare him to the ‘bigs’ like Kareem.
I think Karl Malone would be a good comparison
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 2:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Was Karl Malone a point forward?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
no, not a point forward w/LBJ's vision.
but a comparison in that they were both dominant (skills, athleticism, pure mass) at their position.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Duuuuude
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
I really hate the winning argument. I really do. Its about as irrational as you can get. I mean even if winning was somehow an attribute for a player, don’t you understand these guys have been dominating their entire lives?
I just don’t know what to say to people who think like this….Don’t buy into the narrative…
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I won't start the winning or rings diatribe...
but a different angle I will take is my personal assessment of entertainment value.
IMHO, LBJ can light up a group whether it’s the playoffs or an All-Star game. the result is the same no matter the scenario… he’s gonna get his numbers b/c he is just that physically dominant. personally, I get bored b/c he’s that physically dominant and he makes the right basketball play.
it sounds crazy, but I like Rubio b/c his passes do occasionally get stolen & I like Rose b/c his shot occasionally gets blocked.
sure, Ricky had that one cool pass b/t DMC legs during the All-Star weekend game, but it was relatively boring. the game didn’t really mean anything for bball enthusiasts (but on a side note, still important for other economic reasons). IMHO, Ricky is much more entertaining in games that matter… games with real defense. but since he’s “mortal”, teams can game plan for Ricky. it’s fun that he doesn’t always make the efficient boring Stockton/LBJ pass – he makes entertaining, risky playmaker decisions. sometimes Ricky will make great plays, sometimes the defense will thwart him… we can expect this for years to come. it’s entertaining, IMHO.
same for D. Rose. he had a nice drive during the All-Star game, but it was a relatively boring game. but defenses will continue packing the paint b/c players have some level of success blocking his shot. and b/c it’s not an automatic score (or automatic stuff), D Rose will continue to drive to the hole even if there are 4 defenders in the way. sometimes D. Rose will make great plays, sometimes the defense will thwart him… we can expect this for years to come. it’s entertaining, IMHO.
as for LBJ, he’s so damn good it’s boring at times to me. All-Star game, reg season game, playoffs, defense, no defense… it’s the same.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I ....
Umm… err…
Hrm.
boggle
So you’re saying Lebron is the best?
i've said a couple of times that he's the best ball player on the planet by far
but he is still not “that good”
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what that means
but, well, alright
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
it's such a generic vague term
it helps me justify & rationalize my statistically indefensible position :)
so I’m relegated to the whole rings and championships angle.
although I’m emotionally invested in Ricky’s success, I also want to see D Rose succeed and was very disappointed as fan after last year’s ECF. so much so that I can keep up a small thread on the statement that LBJ is not “that good.” the fact is that he is “that good”, but I’ll keep slinging rocks as long as he’s in the way.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is
“he could be better than he is”?
I could see that.
by fanslaststand on Mar 2, 2012 10:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great stuff
I read Lebron’s book (a fun read about his high school team), and have always been a fan despite the obvious warts.
Personally, unless he’s destroying your team, I don’t get how people can’t enjoy watching him. He’s a classic example of how to “play the game the right way” and has superhuman skills.
Sorry I missed last night.
We'd be foolish to ignore or write off the greatest basketball player of this generation.
Doesn’t mean anyone has to like him, but pretending he isn’t uniquely gifted at basketball is crazy.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
btw, I think Jeremy Lin has the potential to be "that good"
when a couple billion people will tune into a Rockets game, it’s not hard to figure out that the NBA has much more global potential than the NFL or MLB.
the craziest part of Linsanity is he made people not interested in basketball interested in the NBA.
if Lin has a mediocre career, he can be “that good”.
LBJ ain’t that good, no matter how Jordan-like his stats are.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 12:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Somehow...
your definition of “good” in terms of basketball is purely centered around media hype?
LeBron is pretty amazing even by your perverted definition… but it is a pretty useless tack to take, and is begging for argument to a trollish extent.
Let’s note that your LBJ slight that started this discussion was clearly not using the “make NBA popular” definition that you twisted into. You claimed that LeBron James, the best scoring, best passing, possibly best defending and rebounding wing in the league, is nothing but size and speed. That is a comically wrong statement. The guy is exceptional in every facet of the game, and is as good as he is, partly due to athleticism, but ultimately because of that athleticism’s interaction with his superior court-vision and decision-making.
by vjl110 on Mar 2, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
yes, my take was a bit trollish
I did reduce LBJ to size and speed. and that’s not giving him enough credit.
what I didn’t add is that I personally think he’s so amazingly good that it can seems unfair and boring to watch to me. it’s like watching a top high schooler playing 5th graders. he is crazy good at basketball.
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by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 12:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
but Michael would have taken the last shot
and probably made it.
That is the difference, and so far, it is a BIG diff.
by WinTheLottery on Mar 2, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
This is dumb
This is really dumb
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
MJ was afraid of the moment
He didn’t know how to win
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm old enough to remember...
…MJ being a selfish guy who hated his teammates because they sucked. I remember the meme of him finally winning because he trusted his “supporting cast”. Him finally passing was viewed as part of him becoming truly great. He even passed up last second shots from time to time.
And he pushed off on Bryon Russell! That ring is bogus!
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 2, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
but I thought LeBron sucked
at least that’s what they told me
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 1, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
To answer your question SnP
There’s not much to say. If guys don’t hit shots you can’t win.
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Especially when key shot takers can't make shots
Kevin Love 1-8 in fourth quarter. This “closer” hasn’t gotten coffee in about five games!
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, hai, Sportscenter
Fuck you, Kurt Rambis. That is all.
by archie2227 on Mar 2, 2012 12:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jason has been trolling over on BSotS, so I figured I’d better drop by and return the favor.
Hi.
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Uh-oh, there's two of us now.
What is CH gunna do?
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Ha!
You guys must get really mild trolls over there.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 2, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
nah...
we don’t get many trolls at all. but we do appreciate a fan adding perspective to our blog…thanks dude…and BTW if you ever meet Jacob (aka Omaha Sun) smack him for me.
2N, check your facebook.
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Looks like I'm going to have to call off our pre-game meet-up Jason.
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Because you don't want to get smacked?
I’m a pacifist. I wouldn’t do that.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 2, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
I only say this because this bright well spoken indevidual has been giving ish since I started blogging
I’d smack him my self if not for 2 limiting factors
1) where the fuck is Omaha.?
2) I’m a a Collosall chicken shit.
I'm pretty sure you were there before me, Vincey.
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one day Jacob
I hope we get the chance to hang out and watch a game some time…maybe we’ll invite that Eric dude. How cool would that be?!
Cool?
Not the word I would have chosen but OK…
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Criticism? What?
I was thinking more AWESOME!!!!
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trolololololololololololo
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yes.
The B.
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by Cynical Jason on Mar 2, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Stupid schedule
Wolves on their third game in a row and Suns playing first in about a week.
That was a “should have” that got away.
Wtf
this team needs to stop playing fucken high school/college hybrid style basketball.
Play smart and play like a fucken NBA team… not like some pick bball where you just pass it stand around and take turns going iso over and over.
this analysis
it is too deep
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 4:10 AM CST up reply actions
lol as deep as my statement was
its as deep as the complexity of the offense…
don't let this get into the wrongs hands
They would figure out our entire system
by TO12 on Mar 2, 2012 6:36 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fuck the kobe system
its all about the B-easy system. And clearly this team has bought into it… especially fucken Barea who can help us immensely if he just looks to pass first… I understand he is short so he has to be aggressive, but he is one of the biggest ball hogs in the NBA if not the biggest.
andrew.. I for one
love your uninhibited nature, and the transparency with which you convey your emotions…
thank you
this team pisses me off because everything on paper says that twolves could be a championship caliber team. Hopefully everyone learns to play together on the fly this season.
With all due respect
We aren’t even close to championship caliber.
Yeah
I think twolves are on paper.
Twolves have a dominant center that commands a double team.
Twolves have one of the best PF in the league.
Twolves have one of the most natural passers with one of the best visions in the league.
They probably have the longest team in the NBA with Dwill, Wes, Darko, Pek, Love, Rubio, Webster, Beasley, and Randolph.
Twolves are one of the most athletic teams in the NBA.
Twolves have Beasley who if he just keeps driving and shooting short jump shots to set up his 3s have an incredibly difficult matchup for the D.
They also have Dwill who if he just plays his game confidently, can knock down 3s and can make incredible plays.
They also have that championship veteran leadership in Barea who could be such a great PG for the wolves if he just passes first and shoots second.
They also have Ridnour who is very good at knocking down open jumpers.
Wolves also have a good coach in Adelman who has been to the playoffs and knows how to win.
All these guys should be able to take most of defenders in the NBA
Love, Pek, Rubio, Beasley, Webster, Wes Johnson, and Dwill.
If Wes Johnson actually started to run the pick and roll with Dwill, that would be a difficult matchup for the D.
If Beasley could actually focus for an entire game and run a pick and roll with Dwill, that would also be a difficult matchup for the D.
There are so many “mismatches” the wolves can create on paper, but they just arent able to execute.
I hear you
I think that we have a lot of talent. Now the next step is to gel as a team. That takes years (especially with guys this young).
We still need players: a defensive big; a stud scoring wing, a veteran leader.
I’m not saying we can’t be good, but “championship caliber” is a tall order. We haven’t seen any of these guys in the playoffs yet.
You forgot that Wes can barely dribble a basketball
That is part of running a pick and roll
To be fair
the position is not called “dribbling guard”
Wes Johnson Dribbling Guard Diapers would be better
because diapers, well, stink
…
(no, I’m not going to make a long two joke here)
by rickyp on Mar 2, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but he can't shoot either...
Maybe we can call it the “looks the part guard”?
Well, he does look the part of a shooting guard
more than Williams seems to fit the requirements of the position known as “small forward”.
I'm pretty sure Wes has started at three, not two, all year.
Remember I told you he’s a three? RA seems to take my position. But don’t let me stop you from continuing the narrative.
This team is several games over .500 if Love and Rubio had performed to expectations in Feb. When they suck for 5-6 consecutive games we can always continue to blame “wings”. Over and over and over.
Kevin Love is not performing like a star player during this “stretch”.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Put him at either wing position and his track record has more than enough...
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I think where we fully agree
Is that the team needs an above average two who can defend and knock down shots to get to the next level.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
March 15 is almost here
I don’t expect a massive deal, but I really hope they add a shooter to keep this season interesting.
It would be sooo nice.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Hell
They just need to replace awful with bad to compete for the playoffs. He’s militantly bad at this point. When Love and Rubio “suck” they still actually do things for the team that can help them win…even over a stretch of 4, 5, or 6 games. Wes does nothing. Just nothing. In 115 career games, he has 113 free throw…attempts. He doesn’t rebound well enough if he’s a SF, he doesn’t shoot well enough anywhere, and…well, it goes on and on and on. Here’s the latest:
http://www.thenbageek.com/articles/whom-has-wes-johnson-bribed
If this team just misses out on the playoffs and Wes is still starting and getting 20+ mpg, it’s going to be very hard to overlook his anchor effect. Adelman has done some awesome things with this club but at some point (I think we’ve passed it), that’s on him. This guy can’t continue to get minutes.
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In 115 career games, he has 113 free throw…attempts.
gtfo.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 2, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
And he doesn't even have the decency to make a large number of them
.571 this year. Sub .700 for his career.
The guy hit the lotto in every sense of the word when he had the best 2 months of his basketball life at the start of Syracuse’s season.
Again, this is not accurate
You don’t make first team AA and Big East POY by playing two good months of non conference play. Sorry it just doesn’t happen. And we’ve been over the fact that during a two week shooting slump he was playing through two injuries: a swollen shooting hand (hairline fracture) and a sore back (undercut on a dunk and fell straight down flat on his back). Even though Tim “hubie” Allen labeled him as soft, he didn’t miss a game. He also played his Soph year with a broken foot (what a wussie).
Without going through every box score, his last game v Butler in elite 8 he scored 17 on 10 shots and had 9 boards. I don’t mind that you don’t like him but the 2 good months meme has worn thin. No one (especially a virtually unknown guy) makes 1st team AA on half a season of nc play.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
was Wes BE POY after Hasheem Thabeet?
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 12:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
You missed the point
You don’t win BE POY or first team AA on two “good months” of non conference play. Who else won BEPOY or what they have done since is irrelevant. Try to stay on point. I’m disputing the “two good months” meme.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Even if you grant him 1 good season,
He’s just not a good shooter. Never really has been outside of that one year at Syracuse (outlier?). Wasn’t a good shooter in his two years at Iowa State, hasn’t been a good shooter in his 2 years in the Pros. Watch the first 2:30 of his predraft workout. Its essentially a clinic on how to brick 3 pointers.
Please go look up his shooting stats at I St
Wes is having a terrible time shooting. Who would dispute that? Last ten games he’s .43%, progress, but he’s shot very poorly, in particular from 3.
To say he is not a good shooter is disingenuous. An entire season in the strongest conference (arguably) in America an outlier? C’mon.
During his redshirt year I remember Boeheim was telling people the best player on his team was Wes. Wes can shoot. He hasn’t.
But I’m more concerned that he rebound and get to the line.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
"Please go look up his shooting stats at I St"
I did.
As a freshman, he shot a solid 45% from the field, but only 29% from deep.
As a sophomore, he shot 39% overall and 33% from deep.
He’s not a shooter.
by Simitar on Mar 2, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Amazing, isn't it
To be that up and close to a complete outlier. And for your favorite college team, no less ;)
Junior Wes: 60% TS (again, his afg% below shows a gigantic difference between first two months and last 3)
Sophomore Wes: 51.6 TS
Freshman Wes: 53
Wolves Wes: 47.7 (which is probably just about right considering the longer 3 point shot and his inability to get to the line)
You were witness to something very weird. Congratulations.
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, this:
“To say he is not a good shooter is disingenuous.” is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a while. He’s a terrible shooter. How do I know this? For the vast majority of his post HS playing career his shots haven’t gone in the little orange hoop all that often.
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wes johnson has the most beautiful misses in NBA history
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
is it a narrative
when you choose the night WJ hits 50 percent
while KLove and Ricky are mired in 4 game < 30 percent slumps.
Honestly?
by WinTheLottery on Mar 2, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
its not a narrative
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
It's not accurate except for the accurate parts
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=518
Here is his sophomore year at ISU:
AFG: .477
P40: 18.4
R40: 5.9
A/TO: .7
ASB40: 4.1
Here are his first 2 months at Syracuse:
AFG: .666
P40: 21.2
R40: 11.2
A/TO: 1
ASB40: 8.4
And the last 3 months:
AFG: .509
P40: 17.1
R40: 8.7
A/TO: .9
ASB40: 5.4
He was INSANELY good for two months. Then he played pretty much in line with what he did at ISU. You can blame it on injuries or whatever, but…well, Ed Weiland puts it best:
Wesley Johnson definitely spent his year off in productive fashion. He went from a non-prospect to a top ten prospect. What concerns me though, are the splits. Johnson’s top 5 draftee rep is built on an ultra-impressive 2-month run to open this season, when most of the games were played against small colleges. Other than those two months he was tepid for two seasons at ISU and fairly ordinary as far as prospects go for his final 3 months at Syracuse. Overall his numbers for the season are good, but don’t place him in the top echelon and this is a problem, because he is slated to go top 5 if the rumors are correct. The biggest problem is he didn’t score as frequently as successful college juniors usually do.
Not being able to shoot or dribble or get to the line or rebound well hurts him here.
I know someone shouldn’t be BE POY because of 2 good months, but there you go.
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 2, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I do blame the injuries
And I also attribute the non sensational scoring to a team first attitude. That team was unique. Wes and Rautins led a non ranked team to a short lived #1 ranking. It was all about sharing the ball. It was different than any team JB ever coached. For thirty years he was a star system coach and Wes and Andy changed the culture. It is pervasive in the program still today. They have no top 20 players and spent two months at #1. They’ve lost one game, played without their center.
Where I’ll agree with you is where I was critical of Wes. In some clutch moments he allowed Jardine to control the ball. Here’s the word again…deferential. To me Wes’s biggest issue is the mentality of being a stud. The glimpses are frustrating because it’s in there, but I think he’s constantly in question about his role.
I like that his role has been limited and that he can focus on defense and facilitating a team offense. He needs to shoot better.
What Rambis did to him (and everyone) last year is offensive. Don’t close the book yet.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'll chalk this up to you being a coach
You think he can be saved. He’s just not that good and he’s even worse under Adelman than he is under Rambis. He’ll probably be out of the league in 2 years.
It doesn’t matter what it is. Coaching, injuries, mentality, whatever. His track record of awful production continues to grow. Yes, he needs to shoot better. However, chances are he won’t because he isn’t a good shooter. Never has been except for a very short run of 13 games. Yes, 13 games, from Monday November 9, 2009 to Tuesday December 29, 2009. They need to cut bait and stop dumping dollars and minutes to someone who can’t shoot, rebound, defend, or dribble at a pro level.
Wes now has about 2100 minutes more than what were afforded Joe Alexander. He’s rapidly approaching Shaddy’s minutes. What else do you need to see to know he can’t cut it? What other excuses need to be trotted out for a guy who just hasn’t produced?
(BTW: Joe Alexander is currently playing in the Russian Pro League for BC Krasnye Krylia. He is playing 22.2 mpg while scoring 8.7 ppg. I’d take him over Wes just to see what happens.)
(FWIW, I think Ed gets it wrong with the schedule bit. They played Cal, UNC, and Florida in that stretch.)
Also, it would really be interesting to look at Syracuse production vs. pro production. I think you’re watching a team that is uniquely “college” more so than any program in recent memory.
I don't even think its questionable
that Joe Alexander was a better NBA player than Wes Johnson.
If you just said he can't shoot or get to the line
Think you’d have a sounder argument. When you go blanket bad (i.e. can’t do anything, out of the league in a few years, etc) you drift into narrative territory.
Not trying to stir it up, but just keeping it real. :-)
But what does he really do well enough to stay in the NBA?
He’s a decent, but very inconsistent defender.
He’s a horrible rebounder – especially for his size/length/athleticism.
He turns it over more than he assists.
And he’s just extraordinarily passive on the court.
This keeping it real bit...
…seriously?
What can he do above average, let alone above average for his position? Seriously. We are witnessing something amazingly bad. It’s just as rare as a super season. He’s across the board bad at professional basketball.
Let’s call him a SF. He’s below the positional average for wp48, pts48, dreb48, oreb48, ast48, to48, stl48, fg%, 2fg%, 3fg%, ft%, efg, ts, pps, and fta48. He comes out barely ahead on blk48.
Let’s call him a SG. He’s below the positional average for wp48, pts48, oreb48, ast48, stl48, all the shooting numbers, pps, and fta48. He comes out barely ahead on dreb/total reb and to48.
Holy crap this narrative BS is just stupid. He’s really, really, really bad at pro ball. Across the board. There’s no single skill for him to grab on to and build from. It just doesn’t exist.
the narrative is
Adelman starts him,
because he has no better fit, I guess.
by WinTheLottery on Mar 2, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Thank goodness for Wes, Adelman is also a coach ;)
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
"What Rambis did to him"
Here are Wes’ shooting percentages and per-36 numbers under Rambis and Adelman (respectively):
FG%: .397, .385
3PT%: .356, .225
FT%: .696, .571
FTA: 1.6, 1.0
TRB: 4.2, 4.6
AST: 2.6, 1.3
STL: 1.0, 0.8
BLK: 0.9, 0.9
TOV: 1.7, 1.9
Almost everything is worse under Adelman. And he’s been playing more and more at SF, where you think he’s better suited to play. I don’t see how you can look at these numbers and still blame Rambis.
If Wes is so fragile that a bad experience under a coach for one year has spoiled him forever (and somehow compounded over time, even with a different and vastly better coach), then he’s a lost cause anyway.
It was actually kind of funny to see this thread after the fact (I was traveling yesterday). I thought we were done debating whether Wes is a lost cause.
by Madison Dan on Mar 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Think a more interesting debate
Is whether guys can develop their shot over time. To me, it’s the one skill that can be built over the summers. For Wes, he would easily look like a lost cause, but to me if he developed a legit 3 pt shot, he’d be a serviceable player. That seems like a reasonable thing to happen. The problem with him is he doesn’t shoot enough, so it’s hard to build confidence.
An interesting aside is that anything you can say about Wes poor shooting future, you can say the same thing about Ricky. He’s never been a good shooter… ever. For me though, I feel like he can become a good shooter still.
by Rodman99 on Mar 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Ricky
Does shoot well from the line, so that’s a good sign.
It is true that there is a relatively robust history of players
who shoot poorly from 3 for their first year or 2, then see a big improvement in year 2 or 3.
Most of the time when we hope for improvements, it’s based on nothing but hope and maybe an outlier example or 2, but 3 point shooting is something that a significant number of players do see improvement in.
That said, Wes Johnson is terrible, and even if he shoots 3s reasonably, as he did last year, he still isn’t helping.
3s and Free Throws. 3s and Free Throws. 3s and Free Throws.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 3, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't put "Wes not shooting enough"
on the list of problems for the Wolves. I think he just doesn’t have confidence, aggression, or any kind of mental toughness. I don’t see it changing. He could get better as a shooter and still be pretty bad.
I also don’t agree about Rubio’s history. He’s never been known for his shooting, but if you look at his numbers in the Spanish and Euro leagues, he has some pretty good shooting years. Plus, he’s just a whole different thing from Wes. He cares, he’s a competitor, he has skills that help even when he’s missing. His shooting has been a problem lately, but I think it’ll get better (we agree here). And even if it stays below average, he’s still a good player overall.
What I meant by "not shooting enought"
Was passing up the open shots that he should take. Tough habit to break.
Agree about Rubio. Way tougher competitor. But I don’t recall him ever having good shooting %’s. Could be wrong.
Think Wes is a sensitive guy who’s kind of soft. But I can name some players who overcome even that. Channing Frye is a name that comes to mind. I’m still holding out some hope.
But still looking for a star in the 2 or 3 spot.
On Rubio,
from 2008-2010, his 3PT% for Spain and Euro (so two numbers per year) were 42.3, 33.3, 42.0, and 35.8 percent. Not awesome, but not a liability either. He put up a TS% as high as 0.63, with 5 “seasons” at 0.55 or higher. So there’s some reason for hope there.
As far as Wes goes, I guess he passes up some shots. Without anything to back it up, it seems to me that he hits contested twos at a higher rate than open threes. Maybe he has less time to think on those. I can’t say he has a zero probability of being useful, but I’m done with my hope phase for him.
I know trade talk gets stale
But a month or so ago you indicated that you heard that Mayo was being targeted by the team. That still the case? Do you get the sense that they want to make a deal?
I don't think they do anything at this point
I think they wait for the off season and will then try to sign or sign and trade for a wing.
This is such an odd take
Doesn’t the fact that the team can’t overcome sub-standard play from 2 players come across as more of an indictment of the remaining squad?
by dropstep on Mar 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"I'm pretty sure Wes has started at three, not two, all year."
Pretty sure he started at SG while Beasley started at SF and Luke started at PG…
give Wes a break. dribbling has only been part of the game 111 years. he's free throws are OK
1895 – free throws
1901 – dribbling
1936 – 3 sec
1944 – goaltending
1946 – NBA no zone D
1954 – NBA 24 sec shot clock
1967 – NCAA no dunking
1976 – NCAA dunking returns
1979 – NBA 3 pt line
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 11:53 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hate to say it,
but Wes is below 60% on FTs this year and 67% for his career. If Shaq and Howard are the barometer, then he is ok.
I haven’t really seen him pick up any 3 second violations and he doesn’t have a problem with goaltending. So those are positive things.
by hoopsfan1 on Mar 3, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry that my flippant comment about running the pick and roll with Wes
got the pot stirred up again. I really do hope that Wes turns things around and becomes a reasonable player. I hate to see a high pick wasted ala Flynn.
So was that the worst draft class ever?
Sure it takes some players a bit of time to develop, but beyond Wes the only players of any note right now are Cousins (who will choke a coach or fellow player yet and how is a guy that big shooting 43% from the floor), Monroe (I think he is turning out well), George (this is the guy we really should have taken even if he was a stretch with the 4th pick) and Fields (who seems to have regressed a bit this year) in my book. Even above Wes isn’t that great since Wall isn’t really as good as advertised it seems.
So maybe almost every team ended up wasting draft picks that year.
Sorry to say, it's wing play
The nights when the big three can’t carry you, you need the other two to step up. Tuesday the bench stepped in, but…
You can't...dust...for vomit.
That's a little oversimplified
In order for others to step up someone needs to step back.
I think we can agree that as long as Love is on the floor he is going to take shots (and important shots) regardless of how poorly he is shooting. This is the menality of a star player. We’ve seen this from him all season.
When he shoots 8-25 (1-8 in 4th) and turns it over 4 times, it’s pretty hard to overcome.
The reason others “stepped up” v. Clips was because RA had Kevin (and RR) on the bench. Meanwhile the DWill/Beast magic show was a complete outlier.
When K and R are on the court they are going to rightfully dominate possessions. While the Wolves have underperformed at the 2/3 this year you can’t just rubber stamp every game KL and RR play poorly and blame “wings” every time they wet the bed (which has been a concerning regularity lately).
Last night Beast and Johnson split the 3 and shot 7-17 with 8 boards and 1 to. Webster went 3-6 at the two. Ridnour split time between 1-2 and shot 5-9.
Love hasn’t played like an all-star lately. When he’s on the court he dominates possessions. Should teammates wrestle the ball out of his hands when he is underperforming?
KL needs to play better. So does Rubio. I’m confident they will. (Ricky had two assists last night to Nash’s 16.)
They dominate the ball when on the court. For the Wolves to play consistently well we need our two stars to play like two stars nightly. They haven’t lately.
Hoping for a superhuman bail out performance like from DWill and Beast the other night seems an unlikely and unrealistic alternative. The wings need to play consistent basketball and fill their roles. The volume players need to play like stars.
(either that or we should all stop kneeling at their feet).
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Some fair points
But how does this explain the Lakers game?
Refresh me
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
They need Love. Love is their star. I don’t expect DWill to fill those shoes as often as an eclipse. Just my point is that you are going to live or die by Kevin unless RA takes him out because his competitive nature doesn’t allow him to defer. Hard for others to step up when he and RR are so dominant in possessions.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Guess overall my take
Is we were tired and didn’t move the ball like we should. As Adelman said, we have to stick to the plays and make the other team play D. We didn’t do that and had a game were everyone was forcing things.
So agree, that Love forces things at times. As does Rubio. Just stick to the game plan, we’ll be fine. It’s a learning curve.
Was a pretty easy loss to watch.
Not much buffoonery to scream at the TV over. Nobody played especially poorly. Pretty blah game from Rubio, but nothing to cry about. Solid but uninspiring games from Love and Pek. Got something out of Wes and Webster. D-Will needs to learn how to shoot free-throws, it would really help his consistency.
We aren’t going to go 1 – 13 on threes very often. If we shot 30% from range, it was a tie game. The Suns made more shots than usual and we made less than usual. Volatility is a bitch, but it also helped us steal the Clipper game so I won’t complain.
I don't mind losing to Nash, either
Gotta love the guy…
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 2, 2012 4:11 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I thought during the game too
I didn’t see the wolves do anything particularly bad… They got beat on defense a few times, coughed it up a few times… But mostly just missed shots. A lot of shots.
And I keep thinking about what either you or snp said at the beginning of the year and it still holds true: “Some nights this team will go 12/25 from 3 and win big, some nights they will go 1/15 from 3 and lose.”
Also the wolves continue to be very susceptable to ‘loosly called games’. When the other team is very physical with ricky or love and there aren’t calls coming, might as well just put up the flag because it’s over.
This is one of the those games where we can throw should win out the window
No team should win the third game in three nights. Well, maybe Miami against Charlotte.
I think the main issue is that Adleman is apportioning minutes like this is a normal season. That’ll be fine for next year (and honestly, I’m not sure I want us to make the playoffs if it means risking major injury to Love, Rubio, or Pek) but right now it is just brutalizing our top players.
I think you're right about the minutes.
It’s a real problem and the drop in both the level of play by our big contributors and their general body language is often pretty striking to me as of late. And I think this is true even when it’s not our third game in as many nights. I’m not sure there’s anything to be done about it, though, because we simply aren’t going to be in some of these games without big minutes from Love and Rubio (who look dog-tired most of the time right now). They are young and they can recover, sure, but mileage is mileage.
The need for a wing has been beaten to death, for sure, but one of the easily forgotten benefits of having a competent wing would be the ability to steal a few more minutes of rest for the guys doing heavy lifting right now. Eliminating the ongoing power-play turribleness of our wing production is paramount, of course, but how nice would it be if we didn’t find ourselves thinking how badly we need to get one of the current big hitters back into the game as soon as possible? Ugh.
Only 8 guys played last night.
We might’ve done better if we had subbed in a little of Wayne and AR to get guys longer breathers.
our starters sat most of the 4th against the Lakers
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Mar 3, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Third game in three nights vs. 8 days rest....
Pretty annoying. It was obvious after halftime that that caught up with the team.
There were a few things that caught my eye about this game
1) Obviously the bad shooting by Love, Beasley, and Williams was a killer.
2) Love and Rubio have been playing poorly by their standards for a while now. Only 10 boards tonight for Love and 2 assists for Rubio. Hope neither one is hurt.
3) The PHO wings Hill/Brown/Dudley shot 20-34. There are consequences when playing a PG at SG (I think Ridnour was on Hill for a fair amount).
4) Channing Frye always seems to shoot really well vs. the Wolves. Either KLove doesn’t guard him at all or the dude has some sort of mental thing about it.
5) In hearing Williams interviewed after his big Clipper game, he sounded like a guy who is used to the role of ‘primary scorer’ and that is what he is thinking about when in the game. Last night he looked to score almost every time he got it, and his outside shot wasn’t falling. Would like to see him continuing the run the play and not be such a ball-stopper.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
Really like the last point you had there
Dwill plays much better when he plays his game instead of trying so hard to fit into what is happening. He is improving on driving to the rim, and the second step will be to look for open shooter on perimeters or cutter when he drives while staying aggressive going to the rim.
Love, Rubio and Pek
Are heavily scouted now and other teams are doing whatever they can to take away their favorite plays, moves, etc. So it’s adjustment time for us. Knowing when do exert our will and do what we want even if they know it’s coming, and knowing when to mix it up and throw a curve or two.
You'd think that...
…. KLove woulda been scouted a long while ago, especially considering his stellar play over the last couple of seasons. Even with the scouting of KLove, the arrival/emergence of Pek and Rubio should have at least somewhat have negated any new angles the scouting have unearthed. Just a mid-season slump in the midst of a brutal schedule?
My guess
Is though he was scouted, it didn’t matter too much when the other team still kick our butts (i.e. who cares if Love gets 25 if we’re beating him by 20).
Now that we are winning it’s a whole different ball game. We are take much more seriously. You can see that last night when Phoenix came to play.
I think it’s part slump, and also part of something bigger. Love, Rubio and Pek aren’t unstoppable forces as individual players. But as a team, they can be. Our whole team has to thrive on setting each other up, and moving the ball around. We go as far as we can do that.
You nailed it
Kevin Love is not an unstoppable force. He needs to be second fiddle on a great team. Durant gets scouted but still dropped 38 last night with 5 threes.
He and a handful of others are unstoppable.
Kevin is such a great blue collar “in the trenches” player. He is an overacheiver. However, instead of bringing his lunchpail to work every day he’s now the kid who’s buying his lunch. It doesn’t seem to be working so well.
This team has the talent to win and make the playoffs, but they need to do it as a team. Adelman would probably suggest that DWill, Beast and Love need to let the game come to them. Kevin isn’t the type of player who can carry a team night in and out. He’s a grinder, an accumulator. A great, great player but in no way way an unstoppable force.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No matter what he is
He is what they have.
I remember being at my grandparents farm when I was little. I forgot my little video football game (the one with the green lights where you could move up and down 3 spaces) and I complained about there being nothing to do. My grandpa gave me an ash tray and told me to make due. I really wanted that ash tray to be a video game. Wanted it bad. Instead, it became a space ship that flew after all the farm cats.
He’s never going to be the video game.
(I’m not pointing this at you. It just made me think of the ash tray story for some reason.)
He is what they have
And he’s great and has led the team to this point. He’s made the team watchable. When all is said and done he needs to be a mix of Rodman/pippen role but the second best guy.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I’m patient. We’re in year three! I predicted 30 wins. It may happen. Somewhere between now and sometime they need another player. Next year they need to win 41+.
I do think Kevin should slow it down a bit and do what he does best. Crush the boards. But I’m ok with him checking his bounaries. He’s earned the right.
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by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
The "and then magic happens" approach
;)
Somewhere between now and sometime they need something magical to happen. This team is a 40+ win team (over a full season) now with that “and then something magic happens” added to the roster. The list of unknown unknowns with this team is rapidly dwindling. We know they need a good wing player. We know Williams is a really talented young power forward. We know that Love is a really talented and productive young power forward. At some point the magic will cease to be magic and either they will shit or wait to get kicked off the pot.
You remind me of a story
But there is no correlation between the story and your personality so I beg you not to associate.
I went to a lecture 30 years ago by F Lee Bailey. He was talking about sociopaths. He said you and I will walk down the street and see a brand new BMW. We’ll say “I want that car!. I’m going to study hard, finish my degree, get a good job, save my money and some day I’m going to own that car”.
Then he said there’s the sociopath who walks down the same street, sees the same car and says “I want that car!… NOW!” and then goes about to do anything in his power to get it.
Here’s to hoping DK is a sociopath!
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't that an OJ foreshadowing?
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Mar 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Just a mid-season slump in the midst of a brutal schedule?
IMHO, no.
this is just a .500 team that needs a wing and a consistent bench. until then, they’re gonna win a few in a row… and then lose a few in a row. the schedule sucks for every team. every team’s stars are injured or tired dragging ass. most teams are playing sloppy ball with 10 scheduled practices for the entire year.
wing and a bench…
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
More specifically, I'd say we need a scoring wing and a defensive big
Ideally with one of them being a vet who’s a leader.
do you think Deandre Jordan or Tyson Chandler can take this team to the next level?
i think playing the Laker 7 foot duo (even though Love was was sick) exaggerates Pek’s and Love’s weaknesses against length. but then again, not many teams can boast having a Bynum & Gasol.
I’ll live with Pek’s and Love’s limited shot blocking presence if we could find a wing that play D. in my ideal scenario, Josh Smith would be great on this team (and make more impact than a Tyson Chandler). granted, his outside shots are questionable… but everything else is great.
I even think old guys like Grant Hill and Ray Allen are the ideal complements for this team.
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
He’s 35-65 all time vs. the Wolves from beyond the arc:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fryech01/splits/
And yes, that’s the most he made vs. any team.
Emotional Rollercoaster
Such as it is with rookies.
SnP is right about looking at the big picture instead of micro analysis of each game. My early-December prediction was 26 wins, and I still think I underestimated.
The upcoming game with the Clippers should be interesting.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
I'm just glad
No ones face got stomped this game.
Love was getting beaten up down low and couldn’t buy a foul for a while there. He was getting pissed off. Ridnour got ticky-tacked the whole game too.
I hope it’s the lockout, but Kevin Love really hasn’t been playing as great for us this year. His shooting has been bad lately. Maybe if he focused on rebounding a little more (like last year) he’d clean up some more boards and get some easy shots. I wonder what the difference in his shot selection is this year. You’d think Rubio would get him easier looks, but he shoots so many 3s too.
Time to visit 82games.com and try to confirm my biases.
I honestly think Beas starting is the answer
It leaves Love more free to roam around near the perimeter, get put backs and rebound. All things that he is so good at and are not as tiring as fighting for position and spotting up like he is now. Beas seems to be better about passing out of double teams and dishing lately. I think it would be a better compliment to Love’s game rather than having Johnson start.
Love has been playing like crap
but I don’t thinks he’s been healthy. Going back to the Utah game he looked like he had the flu, but the only game he was verifiably sick was against the Lakers. I doubt he could have been sick enough to miss the game the day before and not be dragging through last night’s game. He mentioned the other players being tired and him being sick in quotes last night. I know he played 40 min, but I don’t know how smart that was. All together, It seems to me that he’s had some kind of nasty bug for a while now. Hopefully he’s at full strength soon.
RA tends to let his good player play long minutes.
He did the same to Yao Ming when he was in Houston. I think that had something to with YAO’s frequent injuries. You can’t let a 7’2 guy pound his body every game for 40 min, that bounds for injury.
Sidebar
We’re doing another Q&A with the Clipper blog. I need questions. Here is my list so far:
1- Wolves fans are blessed with a terrible owner. However, he’s not a monster. What’s it like to root for a team owned by Donald Sterling?
2- If you were suddenly made GM of the Clippers, what trade would you make with the Wolves that would be good for both teams and why?
3- Do you think Donald Sterling is part reptile?
4- What are your thoughts on Hasbro’s decision to alter the appearance of Derpy?
5- Why does Blake Griffin hate America by endorsing Kia? Is Chevy not good enough for him?
6- Do you miss Craig Smith?
7- Is Randy Foye just as frustrating as a Clipper as he was as a Timberwolf?
What else should I add?
When is Black actually going to dunk over a car rather than just the front of the hood?
2. Can we have Randy Foye back? We’ll give you…. ?? Brad Miller’s expiring contract I guess.
Shift happens, caps lock is on purpose.
need a clipper darrell
question in there.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
by OR-7 on Mar 2, 2012 9:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
In a fantasy draft of the two teams in a single pool-
-your top 5 picks and why.
same
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Mar 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
both Q&As w/Tim and the Clips were great
but I’m wondering why there weren’t any obvious Love vs. Griffin questions. #1 stars on the team, #1 young PFs in the league… I thought it would be one of the 1st questions.
This is my opinion and does not constitute an endorsement, opinion or official position of the U.S. Army.
by ronatcampzama on Mar 2, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
In the move from awful...
… to respectable, how did the fanbase react? Did folks want to push harder earlier on? How did the timing of it all feel?
Did you like being the beneficiary of Stern's "basketball reason" trades?
Or do you feel dirty, like you should?
(phrasing could use a little work)
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 3, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions

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