CP2 from 3... Report Card 05/03/2012
If you have watched any basketball movie in human history you will know that strangely, somehow, that ultra important game is won or lost at the free throw line. Hoosiers, Hoop Dreams, Semi-Pro... you haven't seen a free throw all movie, but there it is, when the season's on the line, they're there to be had. "There's a reason they call them free", Steve Kerr will chirp at you in 2k12 if you have the tenacity to brick a freebie. The importance of free throws is everywhere around us. It's on the forums we read, in the air we breathe. Ballers have to make those free throws cause that's what makes the difference between WINNING AND LOSING. LIVING AND DYING. And tonight gentlemen, we did hit our free throws. As a team. And we won... as a team.
In the anals of history people are going to be talking about three things: the discovery of fire, the invention of the submarine, and the Flint Michigan MegaBowl.
That's enough with the pleasantries. Whilst our lovely commentary team on Fox Sports North divulged on the stupidity of Derrick Williams' late game foul, Chris Paul was sent to the line with the game dramatically poised and his team down three. I thought he would hit them all. It just seemed like something he could do in his sleep. He's just so icy cold in the clutch and has shown it in the past. But alas, CP3 ripped out his best LeChoke James impression and became CP2from3. I wasn't expecting it, but I'm sure Wolves fans everywhere are relieved. It's yet another big win against another Western Conference powerhouse. The Timberwolves are showing up to play folks, and they're bringing it to some tough teams. Here's my thoughts on the game:
Pregame
The biggest news pregame was that of Nikola Pekovic. Suffering from a sore right foot, he was given a night off by the Wolves doctors. Of course that meant Darko had a chance to step back into the starting lineup and prove himself. After so many games doing absolutely nothing besides being an ornament on the bench, one would expect he'd hit the court with some energy. Also newsworthy, Coach Adelman chose to stay with Wes Johnson at the small forward spot as opposed to the red hot Martell Webster. I'm not one to question Coach Adelman's decisions, so I won't. It was yet another sellout, and I'm hoping it was the last time we'll see those stinky Muskie uniforms.
First Quarter
The wolves were rocking in the first:
- Kevin Love was on fire again, scoring 16 points in the first, the same as the entire Clipper team! He drained 3 treys, and looked as good as I thought he would after a day's rest.
- Blake Griffin started off with high energy, even after last night's overtime win in Houston. He was busy grabbing offensive boards that he had no business being anywhere near (ahem... Darko). However I was cautiously optimistic when I saw him settle for a few jumpers. That was just how the Wolves wanted it.
- Minnesota had a 24-8 run to end the quarter. After starting slow, they really amped up the pressure on both ends, and with the pretty execution on the three ball, the boys had a 26-16 lead heading into the quarter break.
- There was a fantastic alley oop to Love in this quarter from Barea, the big man was getting up there! Also notable, JJ Barea hit Wesley Johnson with a sublime pass. Then Wes went and hit the three! Gods above!
Second Quarter
As expected, the Clippers fired back in the second:
- Darko Milicic was just incapable of boxing out Blake Griffin all game. Or anyone for that matter. The low point came in this quarter when Eric Bledsoe stole a rebound off Darko.
- Talking about Eric Bledsoe, the man was a spark plug for the Clippers all night. He wasn't flashy, but his speed and pace really worried the Wolves in the second and third quarters. This is a young man with a lot of promise.
- Derrick Williams came out and played in the second. He's looking far more confident on the court nowadays, and attributes this to having a greater knowledge of his role on the team. I feel that Coach Adelman is leading the way in Williams' development, and making it known what is expected off him. It's good to see.
- Meanwhile, the referees screwed some obvious calls for both teams. A big gripe of mine is the lack of any consistency in foul calls throughout the NBA. Tonight was no different.
- At the half, Love with 18 and 9, and the Caged Lion with 15. Ricky Rubio is struggling with his shot; He has no points and 3 assists. Meanwhile, Blake is doing work with 16 and 9, and Chris Paul has been quiet with 6 and 2.
Third Quarter
The third is where I feel the Wolves sealed this game:
- Darko came out HOT! Started the quarter with a hook shot, followed by a steal, followed by a slick spin move he was unlucky to miss a foul call on. He was big in the third for us, hitting shots just when we needed them. There was a great sequence where he threw a fantastic pass to the corner to an open Luke Ridnour, then grabbed the offensive rebound, then received a slick pass from Luke on the ensuing play and almost threw it down on a fouling Griffin. Huge energy sequence.
- The boys played well this quarter and head into the fourth up ten (75-65) after closing the third with a 18-8 run.
Fourth Quarter
An exciting quarter with drama aplenty:
- Beasley hit the ground running to start the quarter. He had three quick baskets and really sparked the offense. Too bad his defense didn't quite match.
- Meanwhile at the other end, a quiet Mo Williams begins to heat up bringing the score a little to close for comfort.
- It was a veritable smacktalkapalooza in this quarter. Beasley and Paul traded some jargon. Adelman and Del Negro had a session at midcourt. The mouths were certainly flapping.
- Love let his game do the talking however, hitting big basket after big basket. He's our closer, and he did just that today.
- Ultimately the reason the Clippers lost this game was their fourth quarter free throw shooting. It was terrible, Bledsoe missed some, Blake missed a ton, and CP2from3 missed the big one. They'll be rueing the missed opportunities in Clipperland.
Random Game Notes
- Why don't they play some Beach Boys at Target Centre
- The crowd was quiet for most of the game, it took some Blake Griffin shenanigans in the fourth to elicit some noise from them.
- Muskies ewww
- Kevin Love's singlet was untucked at some points throughout the game. Looked like he was one of those ghetto gangsters balling in an over-sized throwback.
- I love Rick Adelman, he knows what he's doing.
The Grades
Ricky Rubio (4 pts, 5 rbs, 6 asts in 28 minutes played)
Ricky's had some terrible trouble with his shot of late, and this game was no different. He had two air balls in the first, and it didn't improve from there. But he did his usual thing running the offense, dishing some dimes, and came up strong with a huge offensive board in the fourth. Grade - B-
Luke Ridnour (12 pts, 3 asts, 40 mins)
Lukey played some solid minutes tonight and he didn't disappoint in a quiet yet Ridnouresque performance. He didn't do anything flashy, but he did what he had to do, and played within his capabilities. That's all we ask from him. Grade - B
Wesley Johnson (5 bricks, 1 lucky block and 3 points in too many minutes)
The problems with Wes have been divulged with over and over here on Canis Hoopus. I'm not going to divulge to much further, but suffice to say, he hit one three, and when he did, I was hugely surprised. Grade - D+
Kevin Love (39 pts, 17 rbs, 2 asts in 41 minutes played)
There is no doubt about it. On current form, Kevin Love is the best power forward in the league. He is a one man winning machine, and has shown time after time this season that he's our 4th quarter takeover monster. He came up big again tonight, hitting 5 beautiful threes and raising hell on the offensive glass. I really have no qualms with him this game, it was a quintessential Kevin Love night. Grade - A+
Darko Milicic (13pts, 4 rbs in 28 minutes played)
Darko is no Pekovic (unfortunately), and it showed tonight. Mr Milicic is a highly unusual specimen, an enigma few can understand. How is it someone who completely bobbled the first pass of the game became the dynamo he was at the beginning of the third? How is he so incapable of rebounding? Does anyone know if he's motivated or just a streaky player? He's a mystery to me, and he put on a mysteriously inconsistent performance today. However, he was big for us in the third, and I'm accounting for that in his grade. Grade - B
Jose Juan Barea (No points, 5 asts, 2 rbs)
I think JJ is still feeling the calf injury. He's still wearing the calf sleeve and while some at Canis don't value him highly, I believe he's a better player than he's been of late. He's been plagued by a few injuries this season and hasn't been on top form. However, today was an ugly game for the little Puerto Rican. Too many forced shots, and no touch from the field. He dished a few dimes though, so it wasn't an utterly pointless outing for him. Grade - C- coqui!
Martell Webster (No points, 2 rbs in 12 minutes)
Not much from Martell today. A couple of sky high rebounds, but not the game you need if you want to crack the starting lineup. Grade - D
Michael Beasley (9 pts, 2 rbs in 19 minutes)
Skittles hit some tough shots to start the fourth that were key. Besides that, it was a pretty nonchalant game from Beasley, who's struggled to find consistent minutes of late. Grade - C
Derrick Williams (15 pts, 9 rbs in 25 minutes)
The Caged Lion is starting to show some real swag of late, and it's about time! Loving the way he was dropping threes with confidence in the first half. If he can keep it up, expect more minutes to go his way, he could end up being a very important high energy player. Grade - B+
Coach Adelman (WIN)
Did the job and did it well. Kept the troops in line. If he keeps this up he can expect a Coach of the Year trophy to come flying his way. Grade - A+
To Wrap Up
Twenty wins! 20! It's big, the Timberwolves are relevant, and I'm not sure if I'm used to it yet. This season has given us high hopes and exciting basketball. I hope we never take it for granted after all those years of living in the cellar. All that effort, and it's finally starting to be worth it. Great game for the Wolves! Goodnight people!
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Excellent write-up. Breaking down the quarters was a nice bonus
I think your grades were pretty spot-on too
I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.
Great write up....
I thought Ricky really played good D on CP3. His shot isn’t falling but he did a nice job running the offense. I really do think he might be a better defensive player than an offensive player. I think that is the single most over looked reason why we’ve improved so much, defending the PGs.
by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Mar 6, 2012 2:59 AM CST reply actions
absolutely Cris.. very good observation..
The improvement in our perimeter defense, attributable to the arrival of the Ricks, is vastly understated.
I too appreciated quarter by quarter revue.
Is there a place to go for quarter by quarter box scores?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
You can use the "show all stints" link at the top of the "box score" page
on popcorn machine. It gives you one better than the team box scores by quarter, splitting it out by each player’s performance in each quarter.
Really great stuff.
But maybe he should now be called CP 2/3.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
Like Meatloaf said, "two out of three ain't bad"
Unless of course it costs your team overtime
I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.
Apropos of nothing but
Can you please tell me why you were not immediately compelled to correct the spelling of the third word of the Semi-Pro quote? (I cannot believe there were like 180+ comments with no one mentioning it…you being the most likely candidate?)
Also- I greatly enjoyed this report card. This demonstrates why I don’t feel up to the task,
I resolved to leave everyone's spelling and grammar alone,
and while I haven’t been perfect, I’ve managed to stick to that resolution. I cringe a lot, but I’m learning to let it go. Or maybe I’m taking it out on my students. I don’t know.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen the movie, so I assumed it was a Will Ferrell joke.
Pretty much his sense of humor in most of his movies.
Yeah, I checked before posting.
I guess I was just shocked no one made a joke. Alas, Poor Dick! I knew him, JMGrady; a fellow of infinite jest….
Had I not spent the better part of my work day reading lunacy from 2009
courtesy of EiM, I might’ve noted it sooner.
And yeah, PD never would’ve let that go unremarked. Damn his absence!
he actually says "anals" in the movie
it’s not something i would miss. probably one of the funniest bits of the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0iF9HA7SJs
Bags playing basketball with all my friends
by Bob Mcflallergy on Mar 7, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing you wouldn't find in a college student's history exam essay
This little gem from Non-Campus Mentis
“History, a record of things left behind by past generations, started in 1815. Thus we should try to view historical times as the behind of the present. This gives incite into the anals of the past.”
When you’re tired of grading papers, read this for some comic relief. Good stuff.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
I'm glad to hear that
especially since my contributions here are minimal.
Reading some of those entries in the office one day, all of us were in tears and paroxysms of laughter.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Yes, I have seen his movies.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
If you like that,
you should check out Richard Lederer’s Anguished English books. I’ve read each a dozed times, and I cry laughing every time.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 7, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
That's great; Cynical Jason:
We all know the: proper uses of both semi:COlons and ; regular colons:!W:
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Mar 7, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions

I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 7, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Is that Jackie Chan
starring in Panda Express: Eats, Shoots, and Leaves?
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Jim Pete may have been stating the obvious when he focused
On how tough Kevin Love is, but I think it is very noteworthy. In fact, I think it is becoming a team characteristic. Besides Kevin, Ricky never fails to throw himself into the fray. Sometimes it looks ill-advised but he’s got competitive fire and heart. Despite the fact that Luke Ridnour is mismatched, body wise, against almost everyone in the NBA, he willingly goes where no hobbit should. Wes, no, not Wes. Martel definitely will give the extra physical effort. I think Derrick Williams has the determination to bang with the best. JJ is tough but I don’t know if he’s durable enough to support it. Oddly I think Pek could be a lot tougher, but he needs the whole gaining respect and fouling thing defined before he gets over aggressive. I’ve been hoping Beas will start to press the pedal, if he adds an “amped up” attitude to his quickness and athleticism defenders will have to defer or pay a price.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
Re: willingly going where no hobbit should,
Luke should just fly in with the giant eagles and drop the dang ring into the mountain.
I love that video.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
In Pek's defense
If he gets “a lot tougher” players will be carted off the floor in droves.
The only game I ever played was football
but every coach I had insisted that you got injured when you played half-assed. Guys who go flat out all the time seem to get injured a lot less.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Very sharp work Bob
Bringing the quality.
Nice points on Ridnour. What is his percentage on that left side jumper falling away? 90+?
Darko nearly smashed over Blake Griffin… it would have been epic.
Muskies no More!
T'Wolves 2012: Hanging in there from the lead
First, let me say this is extremely well written and recced.
Bob, I sincerely appreciate your efforts today. We are all better for it. I largely agree with the grades you gave. As much as I harped on Darko in the first half, without his third quarter we lose this game. I still think DWill is taking some ill advised shots, but fortunately he’s making them of late. Beasley is killing me. I have pulled for him greatly since his arrival. I would have loved for him to become an above average starter in a Wolves uniform. Alas, I have given up on this dream. His defensive deficiencies and general lack of consistent effort are too detrimental at this point, and I’m not as convinced as I once was this will change. This makes me sad because I really like him. Lastly, I disagree with RA starting Wes!
I don't dislike Darko or Beasley,
I just don’t think they’re effective players. Wes Johnson’s a nice kid too. Shouldn’t play. Corey Brewer’s personality was winning. His play wasn’t.
report card list.. let me know if you want to do one
3/7 Portland – already taken by Matt Leisen
3/9 LA Lakers – already taken by Jones The Cat
3/10 New Orleans – already taken by Malastare
3/12 Phoenix – already taken by last of the Irish wolves
3/15 Utah – already taken by Koberdoit
3/16 LA Lakers – already taken by bringbackbrewer
3/18 Sacramento – already taken by LoveTo
3/19 Golden State – already taken by Eric in Madison
3/21 San Antonio – already taken by mnsportswopwopwoh
3/23 OKC – already taken by eshold
3/25 Denver – already taken by Jose Cordoba
3/27 Memphis – already taken by feral
3/28 Charlotte – already taken by Dogpile
3/30 Boston – already taken by JMGrady
4/1 Portland – already taken by OR-7
4/2 Sacramento – OPEN
4/4 Golden State – already taken by ol’ weird harold
4/7 New Orleans – already taken by GWST11
4/9 Phoenix – already taken by coolio12
4/11 Denver – OPEN
4/12 LA Clippers – OPEN
4/14 OKC – OPEN
We have to book a month in advance now?
This idea has taken off big time.
T'Wolves 2012: Hanging in there from the lead
While I'm here I would like to say some things about the report cards..
1) I’m astounded at how much effort everyone has exerted in writing these, and how great they have been.
2) It made me smile when I saw that 18 of the next 19 games were assigned, and that a different person will be doing the card each night. My hope when the “CH report card” was born was that we would see the Wolves through as many eyes as possible, but I never thought it would be like this.
3) It amazes me how unique every report card has been in format, style, and perspective.
4) I am very pleased by how well the report cards have been received as evidenced by the comment threads. When I first starting writing these at the beginning of the season, I really wasn’t sure if the idea would take off, particularly as the readership was very low the first several times I almost abandoned the idea around game 5 because I didn’t have time to write the cards each night, and I was concerned the idea wasn’t sustainable. It is a testament to SnP’s willingness to place some of these report cards on the front page, and to all the guys who have written these, that the report card seems to be a new “CH staple”, or so I hope it is.
5) I want to reiterate that this report card idea was not mine. I stole it from ESPN which was doing report cards on the U.S.A. soccer teams, Miami Heat, etc. I just brought it to CH for the aforementioned reasons.
6) I wonder if this report card idea would have failed if the Wolves were as bad as they were last year.
7) Dang you Cynical Jason for compelling me to edit my comments to ensure they are concise.
by bsg007 on Mar 6, 2012 6:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You also forgot to use semi-colons.
Shift happens, caps lock is on purpose.
AAAAGH!
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
ide love to do one but I can usually only watch the games on Monday nights because of work
and then its dependent on me finding a decent stream since I live out of state. That being said I love the report cards and the chance to read more on each game than I get from watching the 2 min nba.com highlight. So thanks for everyone that does these they are great and much appreciated I love the format of having different users do it so there is a different style to each.
first-worst-first?
I have been lurking around this site since the season began. I have been very impressed with the level of analysis and mutual respect shown to each other. Kudos!
I can’t watch all of the games. I do read all of the report cards. They are fantastic. Keep up the good work!
by back on the TW bandwagon on Mar 6, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Also a newbie here...
I have also been a lurker for some time now, going as far back as early last season. You guys do a great job running this site and the content is entertaining and interesting enough to occupy me throughout the (work) day. Keep it up and I hope to provide more comments, opinions, or useless banter myself more often. Cheers and go wolves!
hope to see you more, but just to clarify in case you're unaware,
I have nothing to do with running the site, nor am I a primary contributor. The guys you’re looking for are StopNPop, Oceanary and TimAllen. The excellence of this site absolutely begins with them. And even though I love these report cards, the posts I still look forward to the most are the SnP game recaps when life allows him the time to do them. In fact, when I thought about bringing the report card to CH, my one concern was that it would step on SnP’s toes, so I was reluctant initially, but then I realized that the card would actually supplement what he does. The cards (player based analysis) are the trees as the game recaps are the forest (overall game analysis).
it's been a really good balance
even though I often oppose popular view points of the big 3 I do think they do a wonderful job….but it’s also nice to get a fresh take on games
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Actually the Clippers...catinhat was in before me
I like your nurses uniform guy. ...They're OR scrubs. Oh are they?
Ironically Muskies by missing a free throw
“Ballers have to make those free throws cause that’s what makes the difference between WINNING AND LOSING”
This game was about three points fouls
Thanks for the recap.
It’s a tour de force, as the literary critics sometimes say.
by fanslaststand on Mar 6, 2012 6:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"If you have watched any basketball movie in human history you will know that strangely somehow that ultra important game is always won or lost at the free throw line"....
“Hoosiers, Hoop Dreams, Semi-pro”………Air Bud.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
Blue chips?
I can’t remember if there were FT’s to win it in that game though.
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
Speaking of Love and days off,
last year the Wolves fared slightly, slightly better with less rest. Given their overall winning rate, the difference was like a whispered exhale as opposed to holding one’s breath – no opera arias – but when we originally talked about the compressed post-lockout schedule some of us wondered about that. Was it about young legs? Not being subjected to as much of Kurt Rambis’s coaching acumen?
So far this season:
0 days rest: 3-10
1 day rest: 14-7
2 days rest: 2-1
3+ days rest: 1-0
by feral on Mar 6, 2012 8:01 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
It may be that teams' rest differs going into a game more this season,
so that we face a rested Suns team two games out of the All Star break and so on. But yeah, it’s almost a little too easy to see something in those numbers.
They were never really rested last year
due to the Rambis practice-everyday-no-matter-what philosophy. Adelman won’t schedule a practice unless they have more than one day off. I think that’s a factor as well.
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
Rambis, to the players:
You work hard so I don’t have to.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
Wow
I think part of that is because our best players rely on energy and hustle as a major part of their game. We don’t have in-his-prime Tracy McGrady coolly draining 3s with about 75% effort.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Mar 6, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Why hit him?
He was the best player in the game for at least one season (‘02-’03).
He should've been at least for ten.
I mean, he was a much more coordinated LeBron with less physical power. He was a freak. At 6’8" he was super athletic and so smooth it’s unbelievable.
He’s up there talent-wise with LeBron.
He got hurt - only had 8 years of real production
Still, I see what you mean and where you are coming from.
Maybe we can petition Stern and the scheduling committee
to give us 3 days off every game next year. We’d go 82-0!
Of course the season would last 242 days and 67.4% of the entire calendar year, but hey, we can’t nit pick over the small things!
I'm not creative enough to have a signature.
You're not including the game days in that number
You can't...dust...for vomit.
My initial thought was that this might be so extreme because of the schedule
(ie, they happen to have played a bunch of good teams without rest), but looking at it, that doesn’t appear to be true.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
That's good
I didn’t look into which teams fell into each group. I’m hoping that the lower share of games with no rest offsets the higher share of games on the road. That’s ignoring strength of schedule, which is probably more important.
Do you (or anyone else) know of a handy place to get the SOS for remaining games? I would have thought Hollinger would put it in his playoff odds table, but I don’t see it.
I don't
Just eyeballing it…it doesn’t look too bad, actually. 27 games left. Still have 3 with GSW, 2 with NO, 2 with SAC, 2 with PHO, 1 each with CHA and DET. That’s 11 games against teams I think are clearly worse.
2 each against LAL and OKC, teams that I think would take some luck to beat. Everything else against teams that are more or less in the Wolves orbit—Denver, Portland, Memphis, etc.
As for the rest/no rest thing: obviously we would expect the no rest record to be worse, but how extreme is the Wolves record? 3-10 vs.17-8. To the extent that this is unexpected I suspect two factors: randomness/small sample is one. The other is Kevin Love’s minutes. The second is probably testable, but I don’t have the chops or the data to do it, so it remains just a guess.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
The biggest difference I've seen
is that Love scores much less efficiently with zero days of rest. His TS% is 0.528 in those games versus 0.584 with one or more days rest. Most everything else for him is similar (MPG, REB36, etc.). All of his shooting percentages drop off a lot with no rest:
2PT%: 0.434, 0.490
3PT%: 0.308, 0.387
FT%: 0.824, 0.844
I guess he needs a day off. I don’t know of an easy way to look up numbers like this for the league as a whole, but it would be interesting to know.
Suggesting he might be even better next year when a much lower percentage of the games
will be on no rest?
So far, 13 of 39 games have been on no rest (33%). Going forward, 7 of the remaining 27 are on no rest (26%).
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Based on this year,
you’d think so, but last year, it didn’t matter. His TS% was 0.598 with no rest versus 0.594 over all games. It’s either a fluke this year, or due to the cumulative effect of having a higher share of games with no rest (and only one day).
And looks like .580-.590 is what to expect
Not bad
Searching for the human equilivant of catnip...
He's also playing 4 more minutes per game this year
which might be relevant. Or it might just be random variance.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
His usage is up over 20% from last year, too
27.8% vs 22.9%
by daaje on Mar 6, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, more minutes + more involvement + less days off all probably play a factor
as does random variance.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 6, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if the loss of weight in the offseason
is any sort of factor here? Lugging less weight would seem to favor more stamina, but it might also be that with no fat to burn Love can’t sustain his energy in these extended minutes, and isn’t able to recover as quickly.
Just a thought….
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
from experience it should only make him stronger
now I don’t play in the NBA….but I played come college athletics before getting hurt and after I got hurt I gained about 70 pounds before spending the better part of 2 years losing most of that weight and getting back down to a reasonable weight (still not at my pre-injury physique….but I’m working on it) throughout this whole process I have played a pretty steady flow of competitive pick up basketball 3-5 days a week with a bunch of former D2 ball players and at least in my experience you only get better and strong the more weight you lose and it’s almost easier to recover (now I do focus a lot on stretching now which may have something to do with it, and taking recovery drinks etc)
also if anyone has ever had interest in doing the p90x program I can’t say enough good things about it. (side note)
If Love continues to work on it I bet he will even be more explosive this time next year.
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Love should get D-thrill on that program in the off-season
and turn him into the 6th man of the year while backing up the 3 and 4 for 32 minutes per game next season. With Beasley gone, there will be plenty of minutes for him off the bench.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Mar 6, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure the pro atheltes have better workouts than p90x
I’m just saying for us normal people it’s a stellar program.
However I agree Williams has probably 10-15 pounds to lose, he and love should bust each other all summer.
maybe we’ll have two 3’s by next fall instead
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
I'm pretty sure that Corey Brewer can thank P90X
for developing his muscle confusion.
how old are these former d[3[ players?
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Mar 7, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ike, James, James, Marcus, Jason?
what are you getting at?
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
(Last year, though:)
obviously we would expect the no rest record to be worse
2010-11 Wolves on diff’t numbers of days off:
0 days: 6-13 (.316)
1 day: 9-37 (.196)
2-3: 1-9 (.100)
3+: 1-5 (.200)
Another reminder
of how much better this season is from the last few. Each part of that breakdown is awful, but nowhere near as horrifying as the aggregate.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
The elephant of awfulness.
I know which end of the thing we were looking at all year, too.
by feral on Mar 6, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha!
A little too closely. Warning: Mildly disturbing video.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Should I feel bad that I laughed out loud?
I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.
Not at all.
I laughed out loud but looked around the (empty) room to make sure nobody could see me laughing at something so juvenile.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 6, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like a strangely relevent metaphor...
for the 2012 Presidential primaries.
Funny stuff, CJ!
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
Reminded me of the rat catcher at the Renaisance fair
He had a bunch of gags he did with a black garbage bag. He’d ask someone if they’d ever stood behind an elephant. After quickly forcing all the air from the bag in their face he say “Don’t.” This was when he still wandered the grounds insulting people’s babies.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Mar 7, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions
Right, but that's such a small sample (of wins) that I'm not sure what it means
What I don’t know where to find is how the league as a whole does on different days rest, both this (bizarre) year and in previous years.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
This is great info.
Makes me wonder how other teams are trending with regards to rest. Additionally, makes me wonder what this season would’ve been like without the lockout. 17-8 when Adelman gets time to work with the team between games…
Are any of this year's losers looking like the Wolves *last* season?
Charlotte is 2-9 on no rest, 1-15 on one day, and has lost all 7 games with two or more days rest this year. Nobody else leaps out at me as inverting expectations that way.
These game counts are so small…. Somehow it seems like there’s a hint of a type of bottom-feeding type here, though.
It’s sort of like the horrible, hapless team that pulls off an occasional road win in some unlikely place, but has a truly terrible home record. Maybe it’s just chance winking at us, but I perceive there to be a type of team, there – one that’s looser on the road when nothing’s expected of it. We pulled off wins in places like Denver and Utah with guys like Ryan Gomes going off, a few years ago.
(Boston, our older and supposed-to-be-suffering-from-the-tight-schedule example, is .500 on no rest, 12-8 on one day, and 2-3 with more rest than that. Such small numbers, but it’s not like they leap out and say “Old legs are costing the Celtics this post-lockout year.”)
Bobcats and Hornets for sure
Bobcats fans at least have something to look forward to, unlike NOH fans
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
What do the Bobcats have to look forward too?
The Augistin/Walker run?
this draft is pretty heavy with good players I wouldn’t worry too much about either franchise. seems like they have good GMs, Drummond and Davis are beasts…..as long as they don’t draft Barnes they’ll prob be okay
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
I mean in the future
They have the Manther and are currently tanking into future success
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
assuming Manther is really a Manther than sure
I’m still pretty skeptical. Even if he truly is a Manther I don’t know that that makes him the kinda player you can center a franchise around though? they still will need probably 3 players better than him if they ever want to do anything (maybe I’m wrong, but that is the way I see it as of today)?
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Nobody..
and I mean nobody. Thought Biyombo would be good this season. If you liked him before the draft you should still like him now. If you didn’t, you shouldn’t. He has been exactly as advertised. He is still a “core” type player, but purely on hope.
I personally think his growth
Has been a little faster than I thought it would be especially with that crummy squad. If he had gotten drafted later into a more structured team I think he would be doing even better which is quite amazing for how raw he is.
by WolvesBigTicket on Mar 6, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that vj
I also think Biyombo will probably have a place in this league….he might even be a starter I don’t doubt that is possible.
I would, if I had him on my time, not build my franchise with him in mind and then if he were to develop into what people think he could be then I would find away to plug him in. Can’t imagine it would be all that hard to work a defensive monster in…..however I wouldn’t say pass on Davis or Drummond because we have our “center of the future” (not to metion if Biyombo is awesome the two could easily play together)
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
No one is passing on Davis.
Drummond will be picked, but he’s not otherworldly and his FT% of 31.3% should be a concern. He can rebound, block shots, convert at a decent clip 53% of FG, fail to draw many fouls and miss free throws when he does. He’s a good prospect, but it’s Davis teams should be drooling over.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I'm also assuming the chances of CHA getting the no.1 pick
are at best 25%
just cause they don’t get the no.1 doesn’t mean there isn’t a center prospect to pass on.
I’m concerned with how skinny Davis is….I don’t think he’ll be a bust, but I think it’s something to consider. does he have a face up game/jump shot? I’m not completely aware of it if he does, but if he wants to be effective offensivley he’s going to need that unless he bulks up.
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Anthony Davis just needs to be Anthony Davis.
He’ll be fine.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 6, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I can't imagine he will not be a good pro
if that helps
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
KG was skinny, Prince is skinny, Durant is skinny, etc etc..
Camby.. etc.. Davis will step in and immediately be a top 10 shot blocker.
Camby.. etc.. Davis will step in and immediately be a top 10 shot blocker.Durant has shown you don’t need to be massive to shoot a ball.
Searching for the human equilivant of catnip...
I agree with the Camby comp
If that is how good Davis is, is it the best use of a no.1 pick? The answer is obviously if there is nothing better than yes.
KG also could shoot the ball though. He never really developed much of a banging low post game and more worked on footwork and soft touch.
I’m more than willing to let Davis work on those skills before passing judgement….but it is something to consider when viewing him as a prospect. does he have offensive limitations/how easy will those be to work on? etc.
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
oooh voodoo
Yes, Anthony Davis is the best use of the no.1 pick.
Ftr, I don’t think Camby is the comp. I think it’s KG.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 6, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
What did I say?
Looking at a few prospect breakdowns it does appear Davis offensive game isn’t strictly limited to dunks, which is a good thing.
I bore with watching Kentucky basketball so I’ve only watched a few games. I like what I’ve seen defensively but never have felt like his offensive game stands out….but scouting reports say other wise…which is cool
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Well, if they fall out of the top 3
Sullinger would probably work next to Biyombo.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Mar 6, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
absolutely
that team needs offensve pretty bad though I would look very hard at J Lamb or BBeal if they aren’t in the top 3
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Charlotte is about as far away from considering "needs" as any team I can imagine
That team needs talent is what that team needs.
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by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
right but after the top 3-4
the talent kind of evens out in most drafts. I’m saying if they don’t have a top 3 pick I would more so look for the best wing in the draft as they have nothing offensively going on the wing.
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Anyone who has perused his recent stat-lines
should like him.
Searching for the human equilivant of catnip...
For those unwilling to do so --
2nd in the league in block percent (7.6%), behind only Ibaka. 9.7 rebounds/36 (15.2 TRB%, 21.1 DRB%), turns it over like a rookie (20.1% TO rate), commits less fouls than I expected (4.6 per 36; not enough to average fouling out every game!). TS% is only .491, .495% efg on 13.4% usage. Gets to the line 3.7 times per 36, but hits a terrible percentage (41.8%).
Forgot about Larry Sanders
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sandela01.html
7.6 BLK%
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Depends on your minutes cutoff.
Greg Stiemsma, elite shot blocker.
That Hassan Whiteside figure may not be an illusion, either.
I was just looking at the B-R top ten by year splits.
Dunno how that addresses minutes cutoff.
The full list
S. Ibaka (8.28)
B. Biyombo (7.60)
J. McGee (7.17)
D. Jordan (7.08)
E. Udoh (6.07)
S. Dalembert (6.04)
M. Camby (5.12)
R. Hibbert (4.77)
T. Gibson (4.72)
M. Gasol (4.68)
?
We’re talking about block %, and I linked to a query by block percentage, the only difference being that I didn’t apply any “needs to have played X minutes” criterion other than 10 minutes.
I was under the Leaders header
and saw a break down of top tens by block rate, broken down by season. I’m not sure if they tweaked something or what, but now I can’t find my way back to it. Knew I should’ve just used a link.
Makes perfect sense.
Small sample sizes and whatnot.
I kinda want to give Whiteside a shot
Seems like a moron but for a little over 800K I say go for it.
They already got cousins, hayes and Thompson so i doubt they really give a rip about him.
by WolvesBigTicket on Mar 7, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Who can dislike a kid who shows up for the combine height measurements in
flip flops, and still measures out really tall? It was the combine equivalent of “With one hand behind my back.”
I'm surprised he hasn't fouled more
I loved him, but warned before the draft that I didn’t think he’d be able to stay on the floor his first year or 2. I really thought he’d commit so many fouls that he wouldn’t be able to play.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you and me both.
Seems like a smart kid, but with such a shallow reservoir of actual playing time, I was expecting lot and lot of silly fouls.
Is also giving Dwight Howard hell tonight
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by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Nice game by BB
10/15/7 on 4 FGs shooting 6/10 from the line and only 1 TO and 3 fouls
by WolvesBigTicket on Mar 7, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
More interesting, though more sparse
Would be the grid of Wolves vs their opponents. 4×4
Or, perhaps really better, a 2×2 with the categories 0 days rest and 1+ days rest. Put records in each of the four boxes and also put the number of games left.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Feel free to compile that one. ;-)
You’d need to walk through all the game records to look at each opponent’s schedule as the games came up.
Like I said, the compressed schedule is probably resulting in more stuff like the Phoenix game out of the All Star break, where we were closing out a back-to-back-to-back and the Suns still hadn’t played since the weekend. Probably.
Great job - and great pic from Semi Pro
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
Games won or lost at the free throw line. . .
You left off TEEN WOLF?!?!?
How could you?
I got Twitters:
by Matt Leisen on Mar 6, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
and the high school championships
on One Tree Hill
Great write-up by the way.
Really well done. Selfishly, I was hoping it would suck since I’m on deck for Wed.
But it didn’t. Now I’m feeling the pressure to bring it.
I got Twitters:
by Matt Leisen on Mar 6, 2012 8:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Outstanding Summary
Your grades are right on the mark. Great work.
Like most, I’m baffled by the playing time Wes is still getting, but RA is much wiser than me. I will not question him.
down there
Think the Clips will rue the two late Ts, too
A W is a W even if it was too close at the end with some brain freeze fouling — Williams on the 3 and Web on the other end at the 29 sec mark.
signature
Martell
In another thread, someone commented that some players cannot be trusted at the end of games. Is Martell one of those guys?
Exhibit A: The steal and dunk when down by 3 with seconds left a few games ago. This was ridiculous. It was the ESPN worst play of the week when it happened. This has been amply discussed, so I will not reiterate.
Exhibit B (and not discussed enough): Last night he turned the ball over with 28 seconds left. Clips looked like they were trying to trap or foul; TW were playing keep away. Martell seems the double team coming at him, and tries to throw over the top of the guy coming at him. This resulted in a Clippers steal. There are a number of options available to Martell before the pass, including splitting the double team, getting fouled and shooting free throws, BOUNCE PASS out of the double team, or calling a timeout. He chose the worst option.
Is this enough of a trend that Adelman should avoid playing Martell in close end of game situations?
by back on the TW bandwagon on Mar 6, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
not sure who else to play right now
it seems like the best lineup is Love with Williams or Pek depending on who is playing better and matchups and then the 6’2 crew
it would be amazing if we could get Martell out there
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Do you trust Beasley in end of game situations? He did save JJ from a sideline trap earlier in the game. JPete made a point out of illustrating how aware Beasley was present himself to JJ
by back on the TW bandwagon on Mar 6, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I like Martell in general
but I agree that this was the play that almost lost us the game. I thought they were trying to foul him and somehow the Clips ended up at the free throw line. Even if we just managed to run out the shot clock on that possession we would have been in an excellent position.
17 might be high
10 three point shots from Love and another 7 from Williams. 5 for 10 is ok, 3 for 7 is ok. We won so I don’t want to complain but it might just be that the 3 point champ is getting a little three crazy. 5 for 5,6,7 would be much better. For wiliams 3 for 4,5 would be better. Two of our forwards shot almost as many threes as the Clippers teams. We won, it’s good but this could be a concern moving forward!
So you're saying that making a higher percentage of 3s is better?
Ok.
by PaperCitiesBurning on Mar 6, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, just cutting back
it may not be the best solution, but it could be a troubling pattern if it affects them on the glass and in the paint, which it didn’t tonight so it’s possible…just possibly troubling
by NDak_Twolvesfan on Mar 6, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
A few of those threes from DWill looked rushed
but if he has time to set his feet and get a clear look, he should shoot it every time. Who cares how many they shoot, as long as they are good shots?
I don’t want Love second guessing a clear look at a three because he’s already shot 9 of them.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 6, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
These are excellent points
It’s all about quality shots.
This is right
I will say that long term, Williams does need to get in the paint. Last night was the first one where I thought he really eschewed that and fell in love with the 3.
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by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Really he is going to be most effective doing a combination of both
he’s shown in the last two games alone that he has the ability to beat his man off the dribble and get to the free throw line/pain (POR) and he has shown the ability to be a pick and pop three point player as well.
if he can find away to have both things happening in a game he is going to be an absolute tough player to stop
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
My favorite part
Then Wes went and hit the three! Gods above!
by dontbesomean youngfella on Mar 6, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions
Awesome write up, thanks
The only thing I wasn’t happy about during this game was our offensive execution during the closing minutes. We went into iso offense mode. No plays, no movement, no good looks. Love hit a couple amazing shots, but I don’t think that’s a winning formula for long term success. That’s what the playoffs are like… tough D, half court offense.
I’m sure a big part of it is lack of scoring wings, but still we’ve got to mix it up at the end. Find some easy buckets.
Love hitting amazing shots -
The best recipe to win.
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I'd prefer
Love hitting open shots. Not Love hitting shots with guys all over him.
I've groused a bit about his jab step midrange shot
and was chastised slightly by TMiss for not recognizing Love expanding his game. Not a fan of the iso game, but he did hit one last night. If he can drill those consistently, he raises his game to an all new level of badassery.
Check out the early win against Dallas.
Didn’t Love hit one of his late, game-clinching threes on a slightly clunky-looking jab step?
My grumbling was about the midrange ones he wasn't hitting
More to the point, I was talking about how much I like his game being built around the most efficient shots in the game: rim, trey, free throws.
that's two great words making one great one...
quintessential badassery… by kevin love.
My only dissapointement with last night
was Martell. We need him so badly to be a quality wing and he showed his inconsistencies yet again.
It was Love+the 6’2 crew+ and awesome first half mixed with good effort but largely dissapeared 2nd half by Williams=beat the clippers. We are sweet
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
That's who Martell is.
Right now, he’s “the best of the worst”, but I hope we don’t let a few decent games talk us into keeping him next year for 5.7M.
Gallinari had the same surgery as Martelli (only once not twice)
And it took him over a year to get back to full strength. If he’s producing a bit this year, that bodes very well for next year.
What is our better option?
If we let Martell go?
he’s not like Johnson where if we were to just pick up anyone it would be an upgrade….he’s good enough to the point where we can arguably just worry about getting 1 wing and letting Martell and (hopefully) Williams/maybe a draft pick/Lee?/Barea/Ridnour occupy the minuites for the other wing spot.
getting two good wings in an offseason seems like a pretty tall task…one wing not so much
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
The Wolves can certainly re-sign him, but they need to decline that TO
5.7m for an average-to-below average wing is not worth it.
Couple of options: Courtney Lee, Jodie Meeks, Carlos Delfino, or Matt Barnes, maybe CJ Miles, Marco Belinelli, Rudy Fernandez, Mickael Pietrus, or Brandon Rush. Not saying that Martell is guaranteed to be worse than all those guys, but there is a glut of wings who can shoot and will not embarrass themselves on defense. Can’t overspend there. Shannon Brown got 2.5m a year ago, and he’s probably about in the same class as Webster.
Of course we traded our first round pick away, but Marko Jaric can play the wing a little bit, right?
by atlastata on Mar 6, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In general, over multiple GMs, Minnesota
has seen its own free agents in ways that…. Let’s just say they’re not quite as sensitive to market value when they’re re-signing someone, or picking up options. This isn’t just Kahn with cases like Corey Brewer, it’s over Glen Taylor’s whole tenure here.
except for Kevin Love
well, no, you’re right. They were completely insensitive to market value on that one too, in a new and different way.
by rickyp on Mar 6, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sure sure
Fernendez is a guy I’ve always loved for this team btw
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
As Tom hanneman said
The wolves are building the great wall of Minnesota.
Bricks supplied by Wesley Johnson.
by WJ4savant on Mar 6, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Anyone in Sacramento for the 3/18 game?
So, bsg007 left me hanging and wanton, so I’m offering up some great seats to the Sacramento game for my CH brothers and sister. Two seats, front row, right behind JPete and Hanny. Email me asap. I need to know today, since I am trying to get mine locked in as well.
by Boss10 on Mar 6, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn, I was supposed to be in Davis on 3/17
I would have loved that. Decided I had too much to do this year and didn’t schedule the trip for the first time in seven years.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Cant believe you didn't even mention DWills foul in his grading.
Other than that looked great! Liked the quarter breakdowns
CP2 clutch?
I don’t generally get into the who is clutch/who chokes argument because it is so subjective.
That said, over the last couple days, I have heard announcers proclaim how cool and collected Paul is and he wins games late. Over the last 48 hours, I have seen him misfire late 3 times.
1) Clipper-Rockets: near the end of regulation time, scored tied, Paul holds the ball for the final shot. He starts his drive with 3.5 seconds left and gets forced towards the sideline. Doesn’t even get a shot off.
2) Clippers-Wolves: near the end of the first half, again Paul holds the ball for the final shot. Starts his drive late (~4 seconds left) and simply heaves up a contested 3 point miss.
3) Game tying free throw miss.
All things considered, I don’t see Paul as a choker, but I don’t understand the casual statement of “this guy is a closer”. I know he has hit some game winners before ( I remember against Philly not too long ago), but the adulation is a bit much. Maybe a byproduct of watching/listening to the Clips broadcast.
BTW Kickass report card, Bob!
On the free throws,
I think it’s a little much to say he choked (which you’re not really saying, but seems to be a general sentiment).
He’s about an 85 percent free throw shooter. Given that, there’s only about a 61 percent chance that he hits 3 for 3. For the game, he was 8 for 9 (89 percent). In the big picture, it’s hard for me to argue that he lost the game at the line. He just had really crappy timing for his miss.
.85*.85*.85=.614, yeah.
One thumbnail way to keep that in mind for stats students is to talk about the Memphis Belle.
The 8th Air Force B-17s flying daylight raids had daily loss rates that sometimes got as high as 12% per day. Saying to ourselves that a crew was at least 88% likely to survive a given raid doesn’t explain why the Belle’s surviving 25 missions meant so much.
(.88)^25 = .04 though. Making it through 25 missions was pretty unlikely, even when there was basically a 90% chance to make it back on any given one. The rate of attrition in those early 8th AF raids was extreme.
I like this
Paul missing game tying free throws is analogous to a failed bombing mission.
by Stabby Stabby on Mar 6, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Heh. Both life and death situations.
Maybe that’s it. Somehow the “90% survival on one mission means you’ll almost never live out the tour” example comes home for people learning probability.
Now maybe people will respect
What it’s like to be the drummer at a Spinal Tap concert. Let me take it a bit further and say that the assumption of independent events is important to the POOF!!!……………………….
You can't...dust...for vomit.
I wonder if the Memhis Belle was treated differently
After the aircraft flew more than a dozen or so successful missions. Not trying to be blasphemous, just curious. The aircraft was used to help sell war bonds after its 25 successful missions.
by fanslaststand on Mar 6, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
The Germans didn't treat it any different, anyway.
Looking it up, she lost an engine 5 different times and almost lost the entire tail of the plane once.
Its last mission was bombing a submarine base, which would typically be a pretty heavily defended target.
The last time I was in Minny I went to the History Museum and saw their exhibit on the Greatest Generation. They were truly great.
They also had a fascinating exhibit where they reconstructed a house in St Paul that was built in the late 1800s. They collected information and artifacts from each of the 25+ families that have lived there over the years. Highly recommended checking it out. Free on Tuesday nights.
by fanslaststand on Mar 6, 2012 8:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was there for the Memorial Day deal with that exhibit when it first opened.
Talked for a long while with a paratrooper who’d dropped behind the landings – his unit was the basis for “Band of Brothers.”
The History Center is a bit of a palace, but I like it a lot.
No kidding.
At this point the Germans had the Me-262 Schwalbe in operation. The world’s first jet fighter and it was absolutely lethal.
I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.
Really?
The Belle’s last mission was in May 1943. Looking it up in a few places, the 262 doesn’t seem like it was “operational” until mid-’44. Some flights were happening in April ’43, but were they combat missions?
Gawd, that precision daylight bombing policy was murder before they had the Mustangs flying escort.
He's the best pure PG in the league
He runs his offense very efficiently at the ends of games. I think this is where people see that he is a great end game player
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I am partial to Nash as a pure PG
but I see where you are coming from. It was impressive that the Clips had an opportunity at the end (largely because of Paul).
by Stabby Stabby on Mar 6, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nash is right up there with him
He’s still my personal favorite, but I think Paul is more of a scoring threat at this point.
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. More O to Paul's game
It doesn’t hurt that Paul is playing for a relevant team (now).
by Stabby Stabby on Mar 6, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Damn it, I started all this supporting-the-Wolves thing as another of my stupid capricious ideas
doomed to vanish in a couple of weeks…
half of the season later I get to the internet and see a picture of the Wolves in the corner of a webpage and I feel that is my team. What happened to me?
This is a F. crazy basketball team !!!
Not for Crawford, really, though I wouldn't hate it
If I could get Matthews for a Ridnour+ I would like it.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 6, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd do Crawford
but I would push hard for Matthews. Beasley+Randolph+Ridnour
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Slut
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Mar 7, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
I get around
I have so many NBA bromances it’s tough to keep track some nights
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
You're the Wilt Chamberlain
of Canis Hoopus.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
by uncle rico on Mar 7, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As long as hes not the Shawn Kemp
We dont have the economy to support that kind of growth
by WolvesBigTicket on Mar 7, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'd back that idea...
BTW – love your signature line. With my 43rd less than a month away, it’s just too damn appropriate! lol
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
I've looked at TOR situation a lot as a trading partner
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pzs5d3
maybe a three way deal gets it done. TOR gets out from cap situation while not getting a huge drop off at PG (although Calderon is a better player), they get the Beasley expiring and they get a young guy in Babbit
maybe there is a way to spice the deal up a little for the Raptors that I am not considering but this could also be something too consider
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Tor has refused to let Calderon/Barbosa go
I have a feeling Rondo won’t leave but he fits Por perfectly. I can see him in those black jerseys.
Nash is going to Orlando
I thought I read awhile back that TOR was looking to move Calderon
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
updated list.. anyone want the Sacramento game?
3/7 Portland – already taken by Matt Leisen
3/9 LA Lakers – already taken by Jones The Cat
3/10 New Orleans – already taken by Malastare
3/12 Phoenix – already taken by last of the Irish wolves
3/15 Utah – already taken by Koberdoit
3/16 LA Lakers – already taken by bringbackbrewer
3/18 Sacramento – already taken by LoveTo
3/19 Golden State – already taken by Eric in Madison
3/21 San Antonio – already taken by mnsportswopwopwoh
3/23 OKC – already taken by eshold
3/25 Denver – already taken by Jose Cordoba
3/27 Memphis – already taken by feral
3/28 Charlotte – already taken by Dogpile
3/30 Boston – already taken by JMGrady
4/1 Portland – already taken by OR-7
4/2 Sacramento – OPEN
4/4 Golden State – already taken by ol’ weird harold
4/7 New Orleans – already taken by GWST11
4/9 Phoenix – already taken by coolio12
4/11 Denver – already taken by catinhat
4/12 LA Clippers – already taken by dubsy
4/14 OKC – already taken by ynotsema2
I could do the Sac game
I’ve already gone once and I’m not a super popular poster to begin, so if anyone else more marketable wants they can have it, but I’m down to help out
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
I'm going to put you down for the game..
I have no problem with people doing multiple games.
by bsg007 on Mar 6, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One thing I have really appreciated bsg007
Is that you have consistently just worked on organizing this fun and successful report card project without becoming territorial about it. Thanks again.
thanks for the kind words..
Not becoming territorial was easy because you guys are better at writing these than me.
You're a great poster Voodoo
That the rest of the intelligencia often debates with you and some of us give you (hopefully good-natured) crap about your love of the Trade Machine shouldn’t be misinterpreted as negative.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Mar 6, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Oops
Wasn’t including myself in the former but was in the latter.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
This
Even if there is criticism leveled at you, ignore it, please. You bring in different perspectives,
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
good point
You’re a great poster Voodoo. That the rest of the intelligencia often debates with you and some of us give you (hopefully good-natured) crap about your love of the Trade Machine shouldn’t be misinterpreted as negative.
Nobody is infallible here, I remember some of our best posters coming back from Kahn Meet and Greets last year with a Jim Jones-ian fervor and had statements along the lines of “Kahn has a plan” and “he looked me in the eye, I trust him” and the most annoying one, “He gave me some off the record info, but I can’t share it. He told me I better not” (like Watergate, except if Woodward and Bernstein wrote on a message board of a team that won 17 games)
Hell, I still remember screaming at the TV when we traded Mayo for Love.
Chazz Reinhold: Mom?? MOM!! What is she doing back there? I never know what she's doing.
by Son of Gerald Green on Mar 7, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take the first Finals game against Miami.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
by 1922 on Mar 6, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Things are booking up fast, but there's no need to pick a date more than 2 years out.
Toddler Riley Scientist
Loved the card Bob!
This must have been a long day for you. Your hard work really showed off and I thoroughly enjoyed both writeups!
Voodoo and Bsg, it didn’t occur to me when I went for the second card, but if there are other folks who haven’t done one and would like to, I would be happy to let them take the Charlotte game. (TMiss) hint, hint!
If no one wants it, I will, of course, do it. Just wanted to offer others the chance. It has been a really nice feature of the blog and I’m grateful to Bsg and the Mods for setting this in motion!
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
That's how I feel
if bsg007 has a waiting list or anything/other people that want to do it….I will gladly relinquish my position. But I’m also way down to do another and help out.
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
no guys... I don't want to make it this complicated, and I have no problem with people doing multiple games..
it will stay as it is if that’s OK by you guys.
Works for me
Please warn the CH faithful….
Oh, and hiding the women and children might not be a bad idea either.
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
Williams jump shot
Anyone else notice he seems to get quite a few cheap foul calls where the defender runs into him after he is done shooting? He has a little bit of a funky jump shot from the waist down and defenders seem to hit him on a fairly consistent basis. Not that I’m complaining because it helps us but you would think teams would notice this and adjust, this late in the season it just doesn’t seem like teams have adjusted.
Yup
He does the cheap leg kickout thing like Wade and Reggie Miller have done
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even think its exactly that
It looks similar but it’s not part of Wade’s shot and he does it after his shot to draw contact. It’s actually a part of Williams shot. He jumps forward and rotates his body even when no one is around him.
But it looked like CP2/3
got C Lion on the cheap leg kick out to almost tie the game. (It looked like it on the crappy broadcast I got to see at least.)
He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.
Nah trust me it was just dumb
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with both
It was dumb to even put himself in a position were CP2/3 (this is a great name by the way) could do that. But he definitely got Williams with that move.
True
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
finalized report card list.. more games will be made available at a later date.. thanks to everyone who has signed up
3/7 Portland – already taken by Matt Leisen
3/9 LA Lakers – already taken by Jones The Cat
3/10 New Orleans – already taken by Malastare
3/12 Phoenix – already taken by last of the Irish wolves
3/15 Utah – already taken by Koberdoit
3/16 LA Lakers – already taken by bringbackbrewer
3/18 Sacramento – already taken by LoveTo
3/19 Golden State – already taken by Eric in Madison
3/21 San Antonio – already taken by mnsportswopwopwoh
3/23 OKC – already taken by eshold
3/25 Denver – already taken by Jose Cordoba
3/27 Memphis – already taken by feral
3/28 Charlotte – already taken by Dogpile
3/30 Boston – already taken by JMGrady
4/1 Portland – already taken by OR-7
4/2 Sacramento – already taken by VoodooMagic
4/4 Golden State – already taken by ol’ weird harold
4/7 New Orleans – already taken by GWST11
4/9 Phoenix – already taken by coolio12
4/11 Denver – already taken by catinhat
4/12 LA Clippers – already taken by dubsy
4/14 OKC – already taken by ynotsema2
is this really all there is left this season?
Seems like just yesterday we were talking about throwin 10 million at Afflalo
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Impressive organization
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Darkeem does have his moments.
If this guy just had a motor, it would be manna from heaven.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
He's always money when matching up against hyped players/teams
If I'm pissing you off it's probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Mar 6, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
One thing I love about Darko
Is that he realizes there is no better way to bring a hot NBA big-man down a few notches than having them be outplayed by Darko.
by fanslaststand on Mar 6, 2012 9:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent Report Card Bob.
Not much more to add to this conversation. I enjoyed the write up and agree with your grades.
In other news.....Houston loses!
C’mon Wolves, we need to keep the playoff train rollin’ at home!
As per John Hollinger:
I believe today is the first time in the history of the Playoff Odds that Minnesota projects to make the postseason.
by dropstep on Mar 7, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow... and the projections have us actually tying Portland and Houston.
So I guess we take them down in tie breakers.
Didn't think this was worth a fan shot
but here is a useful piece from Chris Sheridan in advance of the deadline. It lists many of the owed picks in future drafts that have changed hands.
As an aside, I had forgotten that the Bobs have a Bulls-a-geddon situation on their hands. They owe a pick to the Bulls that has protection for the next few years, but becomes unprotected in 2016. Emanates from the Ty Thomas trade.
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 7, 2012 10:55 AM CST reply actions
That is more than awesome
43 years old and still adrift on a sea of ignorance of my own making
by Eric in Madison on Mar 7, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is epic.
I'm going to brag. I drive the Nikola Pekovic fanwagon.
by Cynical Jason on Mar 7, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I rec'd this before clicking the link.
That’s how badass this is. I still haven’t seen it what it is, but I’m pumped. OK, going to click it….
by fanslaststand on Mar 7, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I do not like that link or want to invite that comparison.
The ending wasn’t so good the first time.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 7, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
you're crazy
it’s awesome. don’t worry about it, rubio was like…5 years old back then.
by fanslaststand on Mar 7, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
But I remember.
I……(tears up)…..I remember.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Mar 7, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Ricky got the BALL TOSS
From Steph after the big Bulls win at home.
by fanslaststand on Mar 7, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Now THAT
would have been an awesome remake
by fanslaststand on Mar 7, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
On another note
I just listen to the Adele album 21. Lovesong was eerily familiar when I realized that it is a The Cure cover. So I ended up listening to The Cure. It is awesome.
DARKEEM!
not a big 311 fan
but their cover of Lovesong is tremdous
I’m not really even a big Cure fan and I don’t love how they arrange the song, but it’s one hell of a song from a writing stand point
This isn't trolling, I'm just not very good at arguing.
Tesla makes The Cure's Love Song look like--
no, no, I can’t even do it. I tried, I failed. I cannot even pretend—


















